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Reply #15 – July 04, 2014, 06:39:46 PM

I read it as all tbirds with a 302. was that number. so yes, for your model year there were only 13000 5.0 tbirds. funny, as i have owned 4 87 5.0 birds now...

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Reply #16 – July 04, 2014, 06:44:31 PM

Quote from: Haystack;435495

I read it as all tbirds with a 302. was that number. so yes, for your model year there were only 13000 5.0 tbirds. funny, as i have owned 4 87 5.0 birds now...

That means that an 88 V8 car is rarer than a Turbo Coupe. The bulk of the 88 cars were 3.8 powered, which is probably why they are hardly seen now.

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Reply #17 – July 04, 2014, 11:21:07 PM

my 2 reports should come monday or tuesday, as i ordered a day after you. Marti's breakdowns are not without controversy as the stats are sometimes misleading. A one of one car is very possible with these Fords because of the strange way you could order options. You could theoretically create a Heritage or élan model by duplicating the options on the checklist upon ordering. So for example a base car with all the options added, for all purposes was a Heritage/elan, but without the nomenclature of the "premium" name, you could have the only base car made with all the options. So technically you might have the only base car made that was ordered in that fashion, but it is not really rare or more desirable. A 1970 Ford Torino wagon ordered with a 429 and drag pak and shaker is the kind of thing that people get excited about because it really is just a crazy factory order. Nothing like that with these cars. I find the stats historically interesting, but i don't think its going to change thinking and values for the Fox cars.

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Reply #18 – July 04, 2014, 11:49:06 PM

Quote from: thunderjet302;435490

You know according to this report there were only 13081 Thunderbirds with my cars engine/transmission code. Does that mean there were only 13081 5.0 V8 Thunderbirds made in 88? After all the 5.0 only came with the AOD so all 5.0 AOD cars would have the same engine/transmission code.

                                                      Your vehicle was one of:
866 With these Paint Codes
                  106 With these Paint/Trim Codes
13,081 With these Engine/Transmission Codes
                  2,863 Ordered from this DSO
                  2,570 With Two-Tone Paint
For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan

(emphasis mine)
I'm taking that as 13,081 for the LX model in 1988. Reason being: there were 14K Cougar XR7s in 1988. There were many more V8 Cougar LS models. Those both total more than 13K, and the T-Bird sold more than the Cougar that year. So…I'm reading those numbers in relation to being an LX model, not in the whole 1988 Thunderbird realm. Make sense?

And BTW…color me underwhelmed by the Marti report. I have most of that info already from the old, free Ford 999 History Report. My door tag is perfect, and I already knew what all of that info meant. So the only thing I'd pay $50 for would be some general breakdowns for the model year. I'm happy it's available but spending that much cash for something I already have just doesn't make much sense, at least for the '86. I might do it for the '84 for the color breakdown, as I've owned two '84s with the same color code.

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Reply #19 – July 05, 2014, 03:37:57 AM

That's true. in 87 there was a sport, base and lx that could have had the 302.

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Reply #20 – July 05, 2014, 11:11:04 AM

Quote from: EricCoolCats;435503

Your vehicle was one of:
866 With these Paint Codes
                  106 With these Paint/Trim Codes
13,081 With these Engine/Transmission Codes
                  2,863 Ordered from this DSO
                  2,570 With Two-Tone Paint
For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan

(emphasis mine)
I'm taking that as 13,081 for the LX model in 1988. Reason being: there were 14K Cougar XR7s in 1988. There were many more V8 Cougar LS models. Those both total more than 13K, and the T-Bird sold more than the Cougar that year. So…I'm reading those numbers in relation to being an LX model, not in the whole 1988 Thunderbird realm. Make sense?

And BTW…color me underwhelmed by the Marti report. I have most of that info already from the old, free Ford 999 History Report. My door tag is perfect, and I already knew what all of that info meant. So the only thing I'd pay $50 for would be some general breakdowns for the model year. I'm happy it's available but spending that much cash for something I already have just doesn't make much sense, at least for the '86. I might do it for the '84 for the color breakdown, as I've owned two '84s with the same color code.

I missed the For the 1988 Thunderbird 2-Door LX Sedan part. That makes more sense. Still I wonder what the V8 option take was for base cars vs LX? I would guess the LX would be highest followed by the base cars. The Sport has to be the rarest of the 87-88 model Thunderbirds.

I was hoping for a bit more information myself. Since we can't get the "Elite Report" this is the best we can do :hick:. The door tag on my car is intact and perfectly legible as well. I knew all the codes. I was more interested in the model year breakdown than anything else.

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Reply #21 – July 05, 2014, 11:13:39 AM

Quote from: thunderjet302;435520

I was more interested in the model year breakdown than anything else.

Thats why i ordered also, especially on my 83 Heritage.

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Reply #22 – July 07, 2014, 01:45:44 PM

that's pretty neat. I will definitely have to check this out for mine. I didn't even know such a report existed.

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Reply #23 – July 09, 2014, 09:21:21 PM

Got my 1st report today for the 83 Thunderbird.....some interesting stats, and thats the only reason i ordered one.
Here are the highlights:

17,866 Silver T-Birds all models (Thats less than 13% of total production for 1983 across all trim levels)
109 Silver Birds with my Paint and interior color scheme (less than 2% of total production)
29,786 Heritage Models out of 122,000 total production (thats about 24%) (TC made up about 10.3% of model production) So 35% of Birds were TC or Heritage cars, 65% was base birds.

Engine/Transmission is nothing special because that refers to only V8's with AOD Transmission, and not all V8 Production, but those figures are available. 31.9% of total Tbird production for 1983 was made up of V8 cars. No way to know how many had AOD vs C4 etc

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Reply #24 – July 09, 2014, 09:39:38 PM

All V8 cars had the AOD. There was no V8/C5 combo. So that should help you a little.

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Reply #25 – July 09, 2014, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: MY83T;435702

Got my 1st report today for the 83 Thunderbird.....some interesting stats, and thats the only reason i ordered one.
Here are the highlights:

17,866 Silver T-Birds all models (Thats less than 13% of total production for 1983 across all trim levels)
109 Silver Birds with my Paint and interior color scheme (less than 2% of total production)
29,786 Heritage Models out of 122,000 total production (thats about 24%) (TC made up about 10.3% of model production) So 35% of Birds were TC or Heritage cars, 65% was base birds.

Engine/Transmission is nothing special because that refers to only V8's with AOD Transmission, and not all V8 Production, but those figures are available. 31.9% of total Tbird production for 1983 was made up of V8 cars. No way to know how many had AOD vs C4 etc

Odd that for your report it was for all '83 Thunderbirds but for mine it was broken down to just Thunderbird LX.

On a side note we both have kinda "rare" cars. For mine I know only 106 cars were made in '88 with my cars paint/trim code. You could only order leather in the color my car has on the LX Thunderbird.

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Reply #26 – July 10, 2014, 01:32:10 PM

So all of his Deluxe series reports contain:

Paint Code
Paint / Trim Code
Engine / Transmission Code
DSO

And then one more breakdown of their choosing that might be of interest. Personally I could care less about the how many were ordered with the same DSO number.

In your report directly under the STATISTICS, I think it would be better if it stated it like:

For 1983 there were 121,999 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
   29,786 ordered with Heritage trim group

And on Thunderjet302’s report:

For 1988 there were 147,243 Thunderbird 2-Door Sedans built
Your vehicle was one of:
   xx,xxx ordered with LX trim group

By listing the total number of the Thunderbirds/Cougars built, then listing the production number of the trim level, and then a breakdown of the paint etc., it would give the owner a better idea of how many of their particular car were built that year.

Trying not to be too critical of his reports, but I think that the Statistics section could use a bit of work so that the breakdown numbers he shows could be taken more into context. There is plenty of room on that report to add another couple more lines of text without getting real specific like the Elite report does.

Like Eric, between the Ford 999 report, having a copy of my cars original invoice, and being that I purchased it from the original owner, I pretty much have most of what's in the report. However I’ve always wondered what the manual vs. automatic build ratio was on my car so I think I’m going to going to bite the bullet and order one of these before the price goes up.

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Reply #27 – July 10, 2014, 03:19:37 PM

The Ford 999 report MIGHT not be free any longer. Googling the old site; ownerconnection.com doesn't show it as a list any longer.

Word is that the regular 999 report goes for $17 and the deluxe report is $46.....

Guess Ford got wise to how much money was being lost by doing this gratis.

I went HERE and in the FAQ box typed "999 report."

I was presented with the following......

Quote

Best Answer

Available for 1967 model year and newer vehicles, a Basic Build Sheet will detail your vehicle's "as built" options:

- Model year
- Manufacturing plant name and location
- Body style
- Build date
- Engine size
- Consecutive unit serial number
- Transmission description
- Rear axle ratio and description (locking or non-locking)
- Tire size
- Exterior paint color and code
- Interior trim color and code
- Interior options
- Any other option information available

The Deluxe Build Sheet will include all available production figures in addition to the Basic Build Sheet information. Each build sheet is drafted on Ford stationery that is signed by Ms. Elena Ford -- a great addition to any car enthusiast's collection.

Build Sheets can be ordered online at the Shop Ford Gear website. U.S. residents without internet access who want to order a Build Sheet can contact our supplier HELM's customer support at 1-877-247-0195. A Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) will be required to place an order. Build Sheets for a vehicle with a model year 1991 or newer are mailed within 7-10 business days of ordering and Build sheets for model years 1990 to 1967 vehicles may take 4-6 weeks to retrieve the information from our systems. VINs for vehicles with model years up to 1981 are 11 characters long and are 17 characters long for model years 1982 to the present.

Additional Information
VIN Decode Letter(vehicles older than 1967 with or without a Door Tag)

Here's the link to the reports page on Shop Ford Gear.
http://www.shopfordgear.com/find.asp?search_type=by_dept&dept_id=16&d=16&c=48652YHNOREJJK4&session=1D0DA4F3BEAE4413AA0F0B7E59A67B30

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Reply #28 – July 10, 2014, 03:52:51 PM

Paulie, read my thread regarding the new 999 reports from Ford........not so good.....

http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?32319-My-FORD-999-report-came-today-1983-Thunderbird&highlight=999+report

This passage is the most relevant concerning the 999..........

UPDATE.......I got a full refund for my report. I complained that the "deluxe" report had only a single production number which is public knowledge, and the "signed" report by Mrs. Ford was computer generated when the website implies that its a real signature. They were very quick to refund my money once i lodged a formal complaint.

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Reply #29 – July 10, 2014, 04:05:36 PM

Yeah, basically ZERO info for $17.....

And it would appear their "deluxe" report is more costly than the Marti?

Yeah, I'll do the Marti.