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What would cause white valves?

This is exactly what they look like the pictures not lying

What would cause white valves?

Reply #1
I do believe that white is good or normal, but then again I spray paint for a living.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #2
I know white on plugs is lean

What would cause white valves?

Reply #3
I've heard clean burning or modern "lean burn" fuel causes it.
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I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
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1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
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What would cause white valves?

Reply #4
This is what the valves on the GT40Ps I had on my Thunderbird for 6K looked like after I pulled them (they were new when I bought them). The exhaust valves are lighter than the intake valves but not white.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #5
It's running lean & TJ's is a little rich on three cylinders, the lighter valve being the desired color...

What would cause white valves?

Reply #6
this motor came out of my oldest sons tbird,, we are breaking it down to the block.
it ran fine,, had oem HG's and good looking mains and rod bearings.

it was prob due to the stock fuel pump.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #7
I wonder if the new E10/E15 is contributing to the white valves?
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What would cause white valves?

Reply #8
Quote from: TurboCoupe50;428049
It's running lean & TJ's is a little rich on three cylinders, the lighter valve being the desired color...

Actually the lighter exhaust valve looked like the others till I got some gasket remover on it while cleaning the old head gasket off. You can see the far left side of the valve is a bit darker. Actually the car does run a tiny bit on the rich side. I'm going to try swapping MAFs in the spring to see if it leans it out a bit. Fuel pressure is 39 PSI with 24lb injectors and a 155lph Walbro in the tank.

Dumb ass me sold those heads in November 2012 (with 6-7K on them) for $300 locally. Two weeks later I bought a Mark VII. I also have a spare GT40 intake sitting around. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #9
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;428092
I wonder if the new E10/E15 is contributing to the white valves?

Maybe? I've been running that E10  in all my cars for years (all we have here) and the valves on the GT40Ps I pulled off my Thunderbird weren't that white. Thunderbird got 93 octane from the start with this engine though (reduce chance of knock with advanced timing).
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #10
How about red exhaust valves...?
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane

What would cause white valves?

Reply #11
Quote from: ZondaC12;428102
How about red exhaust valves...?

Fuel additives (like STP) contain chemicals that can turn exhaust valves red.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

What would cause white valves?

Reply #12
We have e10 here. Ive been running about 16° timing on my tbird with no detination.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

What would cause white valves?

Reply #13
Wide band monitoring would have put this in perspective. Normally exhaust valves should be light brown across the board. But not uncommon on a stock engine of OBD1  controlled to be a tinge on the white side.(white Not necessarily LEAN but close)Today it is mandatory to monitor A/F at all times. With today's fuels monitoring plug color is basically useless. To an extent when your A/F ratios are correct or near correct.

Here is how you fix it. One of my best tuners tuning one of my cars after a cam swap. Mark reads the A/F ratio after he makes adjustments. I maxed out my 42 LB injectors and had do change them out to 65 to get my DC correct 

I spend money I don't have, To build  cars I don't need, To impress people I don't know

HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD LATELY!!

What would cause white valves?

Reply #14
Quote from: thunderjet302;428133
Fuel additives (like STP) contain chemicals that can turn exhaust valves red.

I was told that by SOMEone at SOME point. Apparently the fuel around here has a witch's brew of additives then!
1987 20th Anniversary Cougar, 302 "5.0" GT-40 heads (F3ZE '93 Cobra) and TMoss Ported H.O. intake, H.O. camshaft
2.5" Duals, no cats, Flowmaster 40s, Richmond 3.73s w/ Trac-Lok, maxed out Baumann shift kit, 3000 RPM Dirty Dog non-lock TC
Aside from the Mustang crinkle headers, still looks like it's only 150 HP...
1988 Black XR7 Trick Flow top end, Tremec 3550
1988 Black XR7 Procharger P600B intercooled, Edelbrock Performer non-RPM heads, GT40 intake AOD, 13 PSI @5000 RPM. 93 octane