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Reply #45 – December 13, 2011, 09:26:43 PM

Quote from: Thunder Chicken;375437

The cheapest supplier isn't always the best one...

just ask honda and their 287668970 recalls over the past couple years

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Reply #46 – December 13, 2011, 09:28:09 PM

Quote from: Chrome;375433

Ummm.... This started out as an interesting thread. Not sure how it became Ford vs Chitty. To figure out Ford and Chevy have same firing order if you re-number cylinders? Tom, you sir have waaay too much time on your hands.

it's a common arguement chevy guys make.. who really cares.. and it went into chevy vs ford because tom brought up shiznitmaros

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Reply #47 – December 13, 2011, 11:13:01 PM

I don't have any problem with chevy's. I've just never owned one. Every one of my freinds who has had a gm, it was a peice of . I have watched them deal with all kinds of wiring problems. But honestly, I have never really dug into wiring on any of my cars. Also have had a lot of wiring problems on the chevy trucks at my last work. Might have just been my experiance. I have seen many times where there was no connector anywhere in a harness with gm's, and I did remember thunder chickens experiance.

All and all, they are still just cars. I like fords because they are cheap and generic. In my opinion they are also easier to work on and replace parts. For the most part, they do it right, and only once. But as I have said, I have not owned or dealy with very many chevy's.

The sbc and sbf have so much in common, it will blow your mind when you really dig into it. Many ls engine actually run the ford h.o. firing order. I have seen people use chevy heads on a ford block where they turn the intake and exhaust around. They basically just bolted them on, then made headers to bolt to the intak, flipped the headers so they pointed forward, then welded throtttle body s to them. I am sure there is more to it then that, but noone wants to give anything up on how they did it, or share pictures.

A car guy is a car guy. I don't car if mr. Tom drives a porshce, as long as he likes these cars and wants to help me with wiring problems.

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Reply #48 – December 14, 2011, 01:31:26 AM

Quote from: Haystack;375452

The sbc and sbf have so much in common, it will blow your mind when you really dig into it. Many ls engine actually run the ford h.o. firing order. I have seen people use chevy heads on a ford block where they turn the intake and exhaust around. They basically just bolted them on, then made headers to bolt to the intak, flipped the headers so they pointed forward, then welded throtttle body s to them. I am sure there is more to it then that, but noone wants to give anything up on how they did it, or share pictures.

A car guy is a car guy. I don't car if mr. Tom drives a porshce, as long as he likes these cars and wants to help me with wiring problems.

Haystack, normally I respect what you have to say, but....that up there.......ummm...LMAO, share some of the stuff you been hittin...lol
No way ANY GM head will bolt to a Windsor Ford without some serious fab work...and why bother? You can buy a set of aftermarket heads that flow better than any stock SBC head could ever dream of. For probably shiznit-tons less than the cost of making a Ford engine work with GM heads..

I don't know if Renzo would drive a "porshce" but I'm sure he's worked on or at least been in a Porsche or 2..lol

Really...wtf does all this have to with the thread's subject?

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it's a common arguement chevy guys make.. who really cares.. and it went into chevy vs ford because tom brought up shiznitmaros

Funny, the argument didn't really start until ran your pie hole about anti GM this...that ...and there. "shiznitmaros"?
Don't like 'em? STFU and click back...you sound like a skipping cd... :flip:

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Reply #49 – December 14, 2011, 02:03:22 AM

yes, shiznitmaros.. most people will agree that GM dug their designs out of a dumpster from 81-up.. and i can express my opinion on them as much as i like.. THIS IS A FORD FORUM, not a GM forum..

as for the GM heads on a windsor.. i'll never believe it until i see it in person.. pictures simply will not cut it.. it sounds extremely far fetched and even more unrealistic.. if it's true and real, i want to see some dyno numbers.. intake runner CC's are larger than exhaust runner CC's, so i don't see how it could have a 'great' outcome

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Reply #50 – December 14, 2011, 02:33:03 AM

Not to help with the g contest of Ford vs Chevy, but after owning both, here it goes...

1999 Chevrolet Metro - owned it from the beginning. ZERO issues & it's now got over 110,000 miles
1989 Chevy C-1500 - bought it with 256,000 miles & it's got 290,000 miles. I've replaced the tensioner pulley, serpentine belt, and thermostat.
1997 Ford Thunderbird - replaced the upper control arms, driver's side window motor, lower door hinge, and it's got a blown head gasket @ 97,000 miles
1986 mercury Cougar - wiring issues plagued the car, head gaskets, torque converter, driveshaft u-joints, harmonic balancer, it nickle and dimed me to death. It had like 150,000 miles on it when I bought it, maybe 180,000 when I parked it
1994 Lincoln Continental - air ride went out, head gaskets, DCM light stayed on. I think I had it from 90,000 miles to 125,000 miles
1986 Ford Escort GT - that thing nickle and dimed me beyond death. Worse than the Cougar ever thought of doing.

Based on reliability I've experienced, I'd go the bowtie route. But, I bleed Ford Blue... So, what's a man to do?

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Reply #51 – December 14, 2011, 02:54:06 AM

i've had my fair share of issues in both blue ovals and bowties, but the GM's are more of a PITA.. i hear a lot of people say they've had fires in their fords, but i've never had this problem, or even came close to it.. my sonoma is a different story.. there's a harness that runs from the battery tray area, down to the rad support and to god knows where from there.. i've replaced that part of the harness twice because it has caught fire.. my 88 S10 had the HVAC harness catch fire and that's when the truck got parked, stripped, cut up and stuffed in my shed.. my 79 camaro had an alt fire and my 71 cutlass had a small under hood fire before i bought it.. so i have my reasons for calling GM wiring garbage.. other than that and the stupid intank GM pumps, my GM's never let me down.. my fords have all done me great except for oil pumps and head gaskets(just my SC, typical 3.

back to the original topic.. i noticed today that the pump at the gas station says 'turn engine off, no smoking, etc etc, via STATE LAW'

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Reply #52 – December 14, 2011, 04:15:43 AM

Your opinion on GM to me counts about as much as the eurodollar does to a a donut at wal mart. I don't care if you think camaros newer than you look good, or not. Doesn't feed my Tbird addiction one little bit.
You don't like 'em...good, we get it. I don't either, particularly, but I'm not saying so every post I make in a thread about SOMETHING ELSE.

No Ford engine fires? You're lucky...I've had three, two of which occurred while I was in the vehicle...(both those times were in Tbirds..hmmm). I also happen to drive either an '02 S10 or an '88 Chevy K1500...both of which are and have been far more reliable than any shaging Ford I've driven to date. And I've had ohh...let's see...3 running, driving Tbirds, 2 F-150s, an Escort GT, and 3 Mustangs.

Yeah, I said it...the Chevies are better...at least mine are. I'm a die hard Ford, cut-me-open-and-I-bleed-Ford-Blue guy....but c'mon...I don't come here to read posts bashing Chevy stuff. It's not just GM either...could be Honda, Nissan, your mom, my mom...whatever, I'm just a little burnt on seeing anti-insert subject here bashing that it makes me want to log out and forget this place ever was.

Either way, I'm over it, you, and this thread. Sorry Tom Renzo, for dragging it into the ground...not that I wasn't the only one.

Peace y'all...I'm taking a vacation. :)

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Reply #53 – December 14, 2011, 04:29:29 AM

Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;375474

No Ford engine fires? You're lucky...

zero, none, nada.. i hear a lot about them, but i have yet to see/experience 1.. the only fords i've seen burnt in any way are the py aerostars

i'm not completely bashing chevy, they're not junkboxes.. 3 of my favorite cars are chevy's, i've just had some pretty bad experiences with them.. everyone seems to have different issues with the same vehicles, whether mild or devastating, regardless of manufacturer..

is it just me, or is this cut-throat argument leaving dodge out?

/end of argument.. this has gotten too far out of hand, so i'm walking away from it as well

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Reply #54 – December 14, 2011, 06:45:19 AM

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Reply #55 – December 15, 2011, 04:46:57 AM

using 15% ethanol will be detrimental to carb and early EFI cars.. from what i understand, it will deteriorate carb gaskets and harm some fuel pumps and injectors. true? i don't know, as i haven't really cared to look into it.. i run premium or plus in everything i own, because i get more miles to a tank and it keeps things a little cleaner than regular (89) and E85.. 1 think i have heard that really deters me from running E85 is all the i've been hearing about carbon deposits building faster than with regular 89 octane.. again, true? i don't know.. but i'm not willing to find out the hard way

now, i can see if you ran the tank (almost) completely dry, the fuel pump could possibly heat up and go KAPUT once cooler fuel enters the tank, but i'm still not completely sold on it.. maybe over time, if it's done on more than 1 occasion, i could see it being a problem, MAYBE.. i believe some experimenting is in order.. who wants to be the guinea pig? :p

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Reply #56 – December 15, 2011, 05:19:46 AM

We run 10% ethonal here, state law. Only draw back I havd seen in two years was less power and worse mileage.

http://www.460ford.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-114796.html

I guess the center two cylinder bolt up, and the other two are off by .02". The push rods even line up. I was reminded in that thread about sbc guys running clevland heads. Even a ford t-5 bolts up to a gm, just need to re-drill one hole on the bell housing. I'm surprised I am the only on to know about this.

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Reply #57 – December 15, 2011, 09:21:16 AM

Quote from: TOM Renzo;375481

You see that is what the instructor was saying. When the pump is not surrounded with fuel it gets very hot. He pointed that out. Then the cold fuel rushes in and shocks the pump and it fails. That is the exact scenario he explained. Weather true or not it is just his theory and you pointed it out also with your experience. I have actually banged on the bottom of a tank to get a pump running and it worked from time to time. But remember GM had a connector issue on the tank adapter plug. They used to melt inside. So i would transfer the grounds to the body of the assembly and free up those lugs to bridge together 3 connectors and that issue is fixed. Bridging the connectors together made for 3 terminals that transferred power to the pump Positive lead. It works and most of not all those pumps in fact did not FAIL. Only the connectors. I Always check the connections and solder them as well. But once the tank is down i replace the pump as well. Even though the pump is good. Also the alcohol issue caused the plastic parts to degenerate like the check valve impellers etc. Even though the pump motor was ok. Some pumps fared better than others under the change over to ethanol percentage. As the matter of fact hoses and all rubber parts were effected as well. Now they want to p it to 15% I also know the pump says to shut down i explained that in my original post.

So you chose to run the car while fueling up based on a loose theory you once heard from one instructor despite it being illegal and more "dangerous" than shutting the car off? Cool. Particurally when you say you never run it lower than a 1/4 tank, which nukes the theory anyway. I'd chalk later pump failures to the Ethanol in the fuel being more likely. The stuff is garbage. Any benefit you gained with it was lost in lost mileage. Kind of a silly topic. Shut the car off like a big boy.

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Reply #58 – December 15, 2011, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: Haystack;375573

http://www.460ford.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-114796.html

I guess the center two cylinder bolt up, and the other two are off by .02". The push rods even line up. I was reminded in that thread about sbc guys running clevland heads. Even a ford t-5 bolts up to a gm, just need to re-drill one hole on the bell housing. I'm surprised I am the only on to know about this.

i'm going to have to look into this.. a sbf with LS heads should make unbelievable power, due to the massive flow rate of the runners.. if i remember right, stock LS heads flow better than any aftermarket ford head, which is insane.. only real question is what intake would you run?

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Reply #59 – December 15, 2011, 11:28:43 AM

I'd read long ago that gm was inspired by the Windsor when designing the lsx engines. I think it was in hot rod magazine. When haystack was talking about the sbc engine being the same as the Windsor, I thought he meant the actual SBC engine, not the ls series. No matter how gm marketing spins it, the ls engine is not a sbc, no more than the Windsor and y-blocks are the same. Gm stopped using the SBC in production vehicles in 2002. The ls is a completely different engine family, having more in common with the Windsor than the traditional small block...