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Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #60
I wouldn't cave to the 5.0 conversion crowd, I did and it is fun but I miss my old car. 

I did the T-5 swap in a carport with a $40 socket set and two jack stands.  After I did the swap I had horrible clutch chatter...  caused by broken motor mounts, after changing them all was fine.
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Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #61
Quote from: CougarSE;337238
I wouldn't cave to the 5.0 conversion crowd, I did and it is fun but I miss my old car.

Don't worry, won't be happening;)
Quote from: CougarSE;337238
I did the T-5 swap in a carport with a $40 socket set and two jack stands.  After I did the swap I had horrible clutch chatter...  caused by broken motor mounts, after changing them all was fine.

Well I've got lots more tools than that so I better be able to right?:burnout:
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #62
Quote from: CougarSE;337230
I did the T5 swap behind the 88 3.8 5 years ago, I did a write up on it back then.  If you haven't come across it yet here is a link to it.

http://foxtbirdcougarforums.com/showthread.php?t=6042

I now have the 88 XR7 I wanted so bad back then but its not the same.  I don't have any passion for the car like I did with the old 3.8 SE.

I had 4.10 gears in mine, it was a little excessive but it would pull pretty  hard.  I would go with 3.73's now, at this point that would be the single best upgrade you can perform and for nearly nothing.  Find a ranger at a pick a part junkyard take along the axle tag information from http://www.therangerstation.com and have a field day, just avoid 4.0 4x4's as they could have the 8.8.  After a gear upgrade and T-5 swap you would need to address the low rev limit of the 3.8.  Mine would float the valves at a 5k rpm.  A good set of valve springs would be the ticket here.  I also had a 155 LPH fuel pump, mostly because it was a Walbro and could be had for like $20 more than a stock replacement.

I'm still not sure how I'm gonna go about that either. I think right now I'm still planning on grabbing up a complete TC rear with the brakes, and gearing and all.

I was told that uber-safe rpm redline is 4600 on a stock n/a, and I definitely wouldn't try take it over 5000. As far as I could tell with my AOd it kinda seemed to stop making more power around the low 4's anyway.
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The 3.8 can be a fun engine to have and still get good mileage.  While N/A the stock speed density engine in your car will never be a real speed demon those three things I listed will make the car a completely different animal.  If at that point you care to go any further with the N/A 3.8 find some idiot who thought that a $400 set of headers was a performance upgrade for his Sn-95 mustang 3.8.  Word on the street is the early style mustang 3.8 (94-98) header is good for 300 HP.  Just by looking at them you can tell they are a real improvement.  Jegs sells an H pipe for an Sn-95 3.8 mustang that fits the stock mustang headers and allows you the use of mustang cat backs.  I've not tried it myself but there should be no reason that it wouldn't fit, some work may be needed at the transmission hanger.  You may have to buy a mustang transmission hanger.  I would get someone's decent shape fox mustang take off cat back and do the necessary mods to make it fit, extending this and cutting that.  Shouldn't be to much work in a driveway or just take it to a ler shop, they should be able to make the mustang cat back fit well.  As temping as it is I wouldn't go with a flowmaster or any other loud ler, the 3.8 has one of the most horrid-terrible exhaust tones on the road.  Plus the mustang cat back will be fairly quiet and be more than you will need N/A.

Well, I've already got my exhaust planned out. Its gonna start of with pacesetter LTs then run into 2.5" cats on both sides, then 2.5"-3" single Y into a 3" glasspack. From there it will split at the axle, and go dual 2.25" with tips.

Believe it or not, glasspacks actually sound great on the car. But thats my opinion. Right now its running stock manifolds and y-pipe minus cats down a 2" pipe to a 2" glasspack that dumps right under the rear axle. I loooove the way it sounds. It has a great low rumble at idle, and really growls under acceleration, but it doesn't sound like a shiznitty resonator like I expected. It really just sounds like open exhaust just quieter and w/out the airflow noise.
Quote from: CougarSE;337230
I always wanted to convert to Mass Air but its much more difficult on a 3.8 than a 5.0, the 3.8 being bank fire as apposed to sequential.  All mustang 3.8 MAF computers are sequential.

Yeah, still not sure how thats going to work out. I plan on putting 99-04 heads/intakes on it, but afaik they wont work w/o a MAF setup. Which means, I gotta go find an intact mustang with all the harnesses that I'm gonna need and attempt some way of reconfiguring all that  back into my own.

The upside to that is the fact that when I pull the intakes of the mustang, all the required sensors and what-have-we will be in it. And then the added fact that my tranny will be either AOd or a T5, which are non-electronic, and also that my car will be devoid of most computer output components, and most non-engine related wiring (instrument cluster, AC delete, etc) should mean to me that it shouldn't be too hard. I will also be keeping my distributor. I've heard that it has a minimal effect on performance vs a coil pack, plus you don't have to tune your distributor to advance it:D
Quote from: CougarSE;337230
Also advance the timing, it was a great free performance upgrade and I was still able to run 87 gas with a great seat of the pants improvement.
 
 

I'm currently running at 14* and running 93 :burnout:
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I'm sure I'll own another 88 3.8 car down the road.


Gotta love em:headbang:
(long as you keep water in em....)

If I come across an 88 3.8 bird in decent shape in about a year I'd probably pick it up
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #63
well I got all the auto trans shift linakage and kickdown  out of there today. Going to go to the JY this weekend to pull clutch pedals and such from a rotting TC before its gone. (actually the same one I got the emblems for my bird off of)

made excellent use of the propane torch today at least 3 times. Its really amazing how much easier something can be to take apart when you have absolutely no intention of reusing it later:D

I also got the shifter and shaft out, and am getting ready to pull the dash, probably on thurs. I hope, so that I can begin the heater core and rewiring. Yayy.....:toilet:

I think I might go with one of those toupee tops instead of a hard replacement top for my dash. I had one in it when I got the car, and when new, those things are actually pretty nice. I don't know for sure. I guess I just don't wanna go through the trouble of installing that thing. We'll see.

I jumped her and fired her up today too. Engine's still running great. Which is good. I can't wait to drive it again. Whats weird to me though, about two weeks ago I was revving it and noticing it had a good stall at 2000 rpm. couldn't quite figure out what that was about. This time, no stall, just a smooth rev all the way up, every time. Huh.
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #64
I think the Turbo Coupe pedal assembly is different than a Mustang setup is (like I used for my 5 speed conversion). The Turbo Coupe used a hydraulic setup didn't it,using a different pedal assembly? I need to look that up.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #65
Quote from: vinnietbird;339191
I think the Turbo Coupe pedal assembly is different than a Mustang setup is (like I used for my 5 speed conversion). The Turbo Coupe used a hydraulic setup didn't it,using a different pedal assembly? I need to look that up.


4 eyed cars had cables :D
Fox-less at the moment

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #66
cool its coming from an 85!
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #67
Cool.I didn't know it was coming from a 4 eyed car.Again,good luck and I can't wait to see the results.
'88 Sport--T-5,MGW shifter,Trick Flow R intake,Ed Curtis cam,Trick Flow heads,Scorpion rockers,75mm Accufab t-body,3G,mini starter,Taurus fan,BBK long tube headers,O/R H-Pipe, Flowamaster Super 44's, deep and deeper Cobra R wheels, Mass Air and 24's,8.8 with 3.73's,140 mph speedo,Mach 1 chin spoiler,SN-95 springs,CHE control arms,aluminum drive shaft and a lot more..

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #68
Quote from: vinnietbird;339303
and I can't wait to see the results.
hah, me either!:burnout:
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #69
Got my carfax:D

I cant beileve my car was in the north for so long, its so rust free...

I can't believe how many miles are on it either... when I got it it had a replaced speedo in it that read around 140,000 so it had WAAAYY more than that.. I figured maybe they at least replaced it with something close...
Idk whats up with the EML title, the digital speedos go all the way to 199,999 so theres no reason for that title that early....

--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #70
Got some nice clean bath pics:







And my two babies together::D:D:D

--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #71
Well, PROGRESS:D has been made!

Nothing in the way of getting the  thing moving, I'm afraid, but nonetheless a very important few weeks of stuff that needed to be done.

In order of chronology:
First, all column shift linkage and shifter junk is removed.
Second, heater core is repaired!
Third, massive rewiring project is somewhat complete.

Prepare for pics:D
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #72
I really don't have any pics of the column shift coming out, but, I do have visible progress on the heater:





Ok, so now we can see the firewall and how far I had to get the dash out to get the  air box out.



So there it is, the big lump. All I could think when I pulled that out of there was how much weight I could save without it:toilet:



And I found out the hard way where all my fluid was going when I was trying to recharge my AC system.



And here we have the cause of heater failure, a broken solder joint on one of the inlet pipes. Easily fixable, but I still feel better off with the new core in there and getting rid of this old rusty one.




Unfortunately I didn't take more pics of that process, but its back in, and the heat does work now!!!



I wanted to remove my ac evaporator while I was at it, but I couldn't figure out a way to get it out w/o hacking up the whole  box so I just left it in there and cut the lines up flush against the box, sealed it, and painted it black.
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #73
As for the rewiring project, some of you may be wondering WTF needed to be rewired.

Well, I've put a boatload of a/m  on my car, some necessary, some cool stuff, and some just to put what should have been on my option stripped car to begin with.

About a year ago, my headlight switch quit working. I tried to put a new switch in it, but it wasn't the switch, instead was some kind of internal wiring problem. Anyway, fact of the matter was that I needed headlights and fast. I actually got a ticket for it and I was not about to get another one. So, if my stock switch wasn't going to cut it, I would have to put new ones in. And that was exactly what I did. Unfortunately this was a spur of the moment cheap ass project that I had to do to.

What happened was I ran power straight from the battery to some big ass ugly rockers from AZ and from there one switch was wired directly to my low beam input wire on the headlight harness, and one was wired directly to my high beam input wire on the harness.
I also had another big ass ugly rocker switch running power to my fog lights which were added earlier on.

All of these big ugly switches looked horrible on the switch panel. Whats worse is all the extra wiring that I just kinda threw together, (with no fuses, mind you), was taking up space, getting tangled, and looked awful.

In addition, I added a glovebox trunk release switch and releaser? in the trunk, and also a stock glovebox light from the j/y.

I bought an electric heater last winter since my heat in the car didn't work and I was FREEZING. Well, needless to say, whatever it was wired to before fried, so I ran a wire straight from the battery to the lighter. Once again, no fuse.

I also had the power wiring for my sub amp in the trunk. Straight from the battery, no fuse.

I had wired in changes that turned my low beams on the inner marker lights into runner lights that came on anytime the car was on. no fuse, and what worse, I ran it straight from an ignition wire.

The electric fan, powered by 18 ga wire, straight from the (alternator). Disgraceful.

A/m tach, illumination power provided by the illumination wire to the digital clock. WTF?

And the biggest problem: all my wiring was passing through the firewall in the spot where the clutch cable is located. Well, that had to go.

Well, all those are now things of the past. Two weeks ago, in the process of doing the heater core, I figured since I have to pull the dash out, now would be a good time to fix all this shiznitty wiring. Well, thats what I did.



Here we have the beginnings of the process, before the dash was pulled out. I still had more  to tear out of there. I did have the stock fog light switch and housing installed at this point. Thanks Jay!



I really wish I had gotten a picture of the final pile of BS wiring that I pulled out of there. This was about a third of it.



I wish I'd gotten more pics of the wiring process but here is everything put back together, complete with push-button start! Say what you will, but I love it. You still have to turn on the ignition to get the car to run of course, so nobody's going to run off with my car. And I did the high torque starter upgrade too, so the only current passing through it is the signal to the starter, not all the juice that would normally pass through one of these switches, so its not like my switch is going to burn down one day.



Heres the tach, properly reinstalled. Why pic? Just cause. This is however, only its temporary home, until I get the rest of my gauages and the new custom cluster gets installed.





And here we have the cleaned up wiring complete with fuse box, and relays where needed. MUCH nicer than what it looked like before.

The only thing I have left to do now is go get some conduit to clean up the wiring route between the fuse box and the firewall, right now there just running through the engine bay, slightly under control.

Apparently, I also have the 3G upgrade to look forward too, because my alternator no longer charges my battery below 2000 rpm. So, if I have to replace it, why not go bigger and better while I'm at it?!!

I also managed to fix my door chime so that it now emits an AUDIBLE ding. I don't know exactly what was wrong with it, but it seemed to have something to do with the tuning fork type think inside of it was to long and was contacting something wrong. So, I took it out, and filed down the middle pr0ng just a little bit and now it sounds like its supposed to.
--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L

Project Black Panther: 1988 3.8L Cougar LS

Reply #74
And here we have proof that a little detailing and shine will make ANYTHING look good:rollin::cool:



--SteveN 👍
[thread=28690]1988 Cougar V6[/thread]
2012 F-150 3.7L