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1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1005
what's the touch pad for? I think I must have missed an important peice to this thread...
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1006
Quote from: Haystack;425715
what's the touch pad for? I think I must have missed an important peice to this thread...


Hehe.........It's a supplemental controller for the carpc install. 7" touchscreen with entertainment as well as control for Megasquirt, wideband, and Baumann trans computer interface.

I use it a lot.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1007
Well, I have my proposed evac system diagrammed. It SHOULD work in two ways:

First, under normal cruising and idling, the PCV system will route as normal EXCEPT through an additional supplemental oil separator to cut down on what the upper intake sees now.

Second, when vacuum is low in the intake (or when in boost), the exhaust venturi scavenge system will take over and route the blow-by fumes to a second separator and out through the exhaust pipe. Ideally I should always maintain a vacuum on the crankcase at all times, regulated by the pcv system or a 10"hg limiter valve on the exhaust side.

X

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1008
That Fel-Pro MS 95952 intake gasket set should work fine with your heads. It lined up great with the intake ports on my Edelbrock heads. The ports are the same size as the Fel-Pro 1250 gasket but they are not made of paper like the 1250. The 1250s have a tendency to leak as the paper degrades from engine coolant. No cool.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1009
Quote from: flylear45;425734
Hehe.........It's a supplemental controller for the carpc install. 7" touchscreen with entertainment as well as control for Megasquirt, wideband, and Baumann trans computer interface.

I use it a lot.

I planned a car pc back in 2005. I had a couple of vga 8" screens way back in the day
.

I even starting molding a keyboard and touch pad onto the steering wheel.
Quote from: jcassity
I honestly dont think you could exceed the cost of a new car buy installing new *stock* parts everywhere in your coug our tbird. Its just plain impossible. You could revamp the entire drivetrain/engine/suspenstion and still come out ahead.
Hooligans! 
1988 Crown Vic wagon. 120K California car. Wifes grocery getter. (junked)
1987 Ford Thunderbird LX. 5.0. s.o., sn-95 t-5 and an f-150 clutch. Driven daily and going strong.
1986 cougar.
lilsammywasapunkrocker@yahoo.com

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1010
Quote from: thunderjet302;425750
That Fel-Pro MS 95952 intake gasket set should work fine with your heads. It lined up great with the intake ports on my Edelbrock heads. The ports are the same size as the Fel-Pro 1250 gasket but they are not made of paper like the 1250. The 1250s have a tendency to leak as the paper degrades from engine coolant. No cool.

Thanks for the info. I opened the box and laid the gaskets up to the heads. It looked just right to me, too. The last set looked good after being run for a couple years on the iron heads. Like you say the composite gasket seems to be a good choice.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1011
Quote from: Haystack;425759
I planned a car pc back in 2005. I had a couple of vga 8" screens way back in the day
.

I even starting molding a keyboard and touch pad onto the steering wheel.

I looked at several ways of controlling input, and the touchpad seems to work best for me. I still have a full sized wired keyboard in the car for tuning MS or web searches, I will be replacing that with a smaller wireless one someday.

Now that the windows tablets are cheaper I would probably just go with one of those in a future build.

The only disappointments in it so far is that my phone can't be used through the pc, and my backup camera is a bit flakey. I bought the cheapest one of those, so that may be the issue there. The phone I bought a hands-free solution for after spending months trying to come up with something that would work.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1012
When I unbolted the headers I was disappointed (pissed off actually) to see that the drivers side header was loose on the front port. It had been leaking and I could hear that I had a leak.

I had used some expensive Percy's locking header bolts on it. They have now been kicked to the curb. I don't trust 'em in aluminum heads when they aren't holding in steel.

I see I have a little 'rock' in the header , meaning that it is slightly bowed. So, I'm gonna cut the web in between the front and rear ports on both headers before I offer them up again. This  time I will be using a set of Nord-lock washers under a set of 12 point 3/8 head ARP bolts. Maybe just a dab of blue loctite for good measure.

I also have trouble keeping my valve covers torqued down. They always want to loosen up on me. I'm still figuring what I am going to do about that. Maybe go to studs with a dab of blue on those too.

Leaky cars suck. Oil fires are dangerous.

Nord-lock video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwmuZuJ02I

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1013
OK, ordered all the final parts to re-assemble this thing.

1" Proform #66753 wedge locking header bolts. I had to get 2 sets of 12 since the 16 pack only comes in 3/4"L.  That kinda sucked. I want the extra length going into aluminum with the thick s on these headers.

I considered SS studs, but at $145.00 a set was put off by the price, and I wanted a wedge lock washer which the ARP doesn't have.

I got Trick Flow valve cover studs with 12 point black oxide nuts and ordered a package of 20 Nord lock washers to hold those.

I have an air injection check valve from the Explorer engine to use for the venturi evacuation system, so I ordered a pair of Edelbrock breathers and a Vibrant Performance scavange pipe that comes with a weld on bung and threaded pipe. Rounding up that system is a (hopefully) suitable vacuum limit valve from Zoro Tools (I got the Nord lock washers from them, too)

Finally, since the car is into stage 2 of power production with these heads I decided to upgrade injectors. I intend to shoot for under 500 HP, so I found a good deal on modified Bosch injectors. They are EV6 style with an EV1 connector and flow 48 lbs.@ 43.5 psi.  http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/shop/viewitem.php?productid=409

So, I figure at a 39 psi base pressure they should flow about 46 lbs/hr, which gets me to 500 HP at just over 85% duty cycle. The nice thing about the EV6 injector is the flow pattern is better and the pintle mass is less so they work faster than a similarly sized EV1 high-z injector. My 255 lph tank pump and lines should be sufficient at this HP.

I can sell off my recently cleaned and flow-matched brown tops to someone looking to stay under 400 HP turbo/supercharged or 500 HP N/A.

If anyone here is interested let me know. Just remember these are LOW IMPEDANCE injectors and need a resistor pack or suitable ECU to run them. They are the stock injectors for a Thunderbird 2.3 turbo. I'll list them in the classifieds when I get the new ones in hand.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1014
Try these valve cover gaskets http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=1818

I've used them with the stock valve cover bolts on both GT40P heads and the Edelbrock heads my Thunderbird has now. They are steel core and they don't compress. The bolts stay tight and the gaskets have yet to leak on me.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1015
Thanks for the tip. I went through this on my 2.3's until I found "THE" gasket that worked.

I just looked at mine and they are compressed. They are rubber, Fel-pro I believe.

36.00 through Summit. Dang, the 351 guys have to pay 89.00 for a pair!

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1016
That's odd. The 302/351W share the same valve cover gasket as they have the same heads. Perhaps the 351C covers cost more.

Back to the FRPP gaskets. I didn't realize they were $36. I think I paid less than $30 for them several years ago. They are worth it though.
88 Thunderbird LX: 306, Edelbrock Performer heads, Comp 266HR cam, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bunch of other stuff.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1017
Right-o. That has to be for the 351C.

If it works it's worth it.  Thanks again for the tip.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1018
Got the heads pulled, now tomorrow I'll clean everything up and check the block for flatness before I offer up the aluminum heads for the PTV and rocker geometry checks. It looks like the header wrap is killing my hotside. It's just allowing rust to form in a definite pattern underneath it. The unwrapped crossover looks 10 times better than the pieces with wrap.

Soooooo, I am going to try the DIY Techline header spray on coating after I blast the parts and clean them. It looks like the silver is the best at corrosion resistance, and the black is best for a heat barrier. I'm going with silver and will see how it works out. I know the wrap is not going back on anything down low or that gets real hot. Those parts were affected the most.  I might use some on the upper downpipe and on the wastegate tube. Those showed no signs of excessive rusting.

I'd like to think that this time I'll have most all the bugs worked out of the combo for the long term. I want to get the A/C functional this winter after all this is done so it'll be ready for next summer. That'll mean making custom lines, some fittings, and just hooking up wiring I already have in place.

I still need to do gears, axles, a good driveshaft and a good converter before it can be unleashed at the track.

1988 TC single Holset turbo 5.0/ 4R70W

Reply #1019
Hey Jim

Im only wrapping the downpipe for that reason...just holds too much heat...causing warping...and metal fatigue.

Going to be hot under the hood.  But cant be helped.

Travis