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...On the ground at gun point....

Reply #15 – November 04, 2008, 02:37:57 PM

Okay....

How far are we talking from the time he put his lights on until you decided that it was safe? I can see a few hundred feet or so, but not a half mile to a mile.

On that way of thinking, I could technically decide that there really isn't some place safe on the interstate to pull over and go (sometimes up to) 20 miles to the next exit to pull over. Thats plain BS. If the officer decided that it was too dangerous to pull over there, he would decide to move you. If you thought that it was a dangerous place to pull over, pull as far over as you can and when the officer comes to the window, let him know that you are unconformable with where you are sitting and ask if it would be possible to move to a safer location. too easy.

Also, You were on a BUSY HIGHWAY. I don't think it gets more public than that. And if it was an unmarked squad, you always have the option of asking for a marked cruiser to also be dispatched so you know that the officer is not an impersonator. Most officers do not have any problem with that.

And asking to see his gun? Are you ****ing nuts? That was a stupid move, I'm sorry. You should have kept your trap S H U T. So he may have been having a bad day, or maybe your actions pissed him off. Either way, the side of a busy ****ing road is not the place to debate. he's doing his job. If you have a problem with that, bring it up in court, where it belongs. FYI, cops get tired of people asking to see their gun. Its annoying, and its plain disrespectful if you are sitting there on the side of the road after you DID SOMETHING WRONG. let him do his job, and if you have a problem, take it up in court.

I have 10 years in Law Enforcement, and come from a long family of Police Officers. Every single one of them, including myself, would have been rubbed wrong by your actions. It just so happens that police are not the best choice of people to piss off.

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Reply #16 – November 04, 2008, 02:47:15 PM

Quote from: LittleAngel1198;241590

BTW, asking him to see his gun? WTF? I mean seriously.... where did you come up with that?
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And to let the record show,, I only wonder why you didnt mention this on your initial post. It does nothing but fuel the fire making people think you did not tell the whole story on the front end.

Just a fact of observation, thats all.

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Reply #17 – November 04, 2008, 02:54:32 PM

Quote from: jcassity;241623

X2

And to let the record show,, I only wonder why you didnt mention this on your initial post. It does nothing but fuel the fire making people think you did not tell the whole story on the front end.

Just a fact of observation, thats all.

I read it in his original post. Also, I didn't read anything about him complaining about getting a ticket. He did complain about the cop being a complete ass wipe on a power trip, which I would too. I'm sure the officers on this board are well aware that there are plenty of people in law enforcement who deserve a kick in the teeth. Some people are in it to help keep order, whilst others are in it to be in control.

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Reply #18 – November 04, 2008, 03:37:42 PM

Quote from: oldraven;241625

I read it in his original post. Also, I didn't read anything about him complaining about getting a ticket. He did complain about the cop being a complete ass wipe on a power trip, which I would too. I'm sure the officers on this board are well aware that there are plenty of people in law enforcement who deserve a kick in the teeth. Some people are in it to help keep order, whilst others are in it to be in control.

No Doubt. There are many officers out there that are mentally unstable, and there are some on major power trips. You have to remember though, most are not. My personal experience is that when people do stupid things, I get a bit heated. Some can control it better than others. Some cannot control it at all. I noticed that I had a VERY low tolerance for stupid things after I came home from Iraq. Thats why I'm not in law enforcement anymore. I think I made the correct choice.

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Reply #19 – November 04, 2008, 04:51:37 PM

Ok here comes some more GAS for the fire! LOL Cops are just like anyone else there are many different types. Nice ones, A$$hole ones, in between and indifferent ones. It all depends on YOU and THEM. Yes they are gonna give you the I'm the man and you are no one act. That is part of it. They walk up all BAD Ace like and that gets you attention. It also most likely tells them just what to expect from you on how you react to them! Now I can't say that I'm mr nice when I'm pulled over or have interactions but I try my hardest to STFU! Just like the last time they showed up at my house. It was 8pm on Friday night and they showed up! Why are they here is my first thought! Open the door to them asking if I am Bob such and such. I'm tell them no they ask to see my ID. I tell them nope they both know me and I used to live across the street for 5yrs until the place flooded. They are alright thank me and leave. That is that. Now I could have gone off seeing how this is the 2nd time the same officers have been to my house looking for that Bob guy. They even both come in to where I work all the time. Kinda feel harassed but I sit back and STFU! Why! because I don't want to be on there list so to speak. Once you draw there attention it seems like they tend to pick you apart. Now when the lights come on Pull over I do it. I've even pulled over into the median before he asked why told him if I had to get out didn't want to get hit. He said thinking of safety I like that. Got off with a warning. As for asking to see his Gun I take it you wanted to see the RADAR gun not his Gun gun. Yeah I've been told many times in MO you can ask to see the Radar gun and paper work. Never had the balls to ask to busy hoping that I don't get a ticket I guess. If you were asking to see his gun gun much like asking to see the Radar gun every time he see you now he will be pointing on of them at you I'm sure and seeing how he is a law man I bet he points the Radar Gun. Sometimes its just smartest to STFU and wait until you are out of the situation to make a decision. Yes I feel for you getting those tickets and yes that suck to have to fork over cash for such things. But such is how things are these days in this time we live in! So do your best to deal with the py cards you have right now. You gotta pitch the bad cards and work on building a good hand to bet on!

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Reply #20 – November 04, 2008, 04:57:07 PM

Quote from: Birdman;241621

And asking to see his gun? Are you ****ing nuts? That was a stupid move, I'm sorry. You should have kept your trap S H U T. So he may have been having a bad day, or maybe your actions pissed him off. Either way, the side of a busy ****ing road is not the place to debate. he's doing his job. If you have a problem with that, bring it up in court, where it belongs. FYI, cops get tired of people asking to see their gun. Its annoying, and its plain disrespectful if you are sitting there on the side of the road after you DID SOMETHING WRONG. let him do his job, and if you have a problem, take it up in court.

I have 10 years in Law Enforcement, and come from a long family of Police Officers. Every single one of them, including myself, would have been rubbed wrong by your actions. It just so happens that police are not the best choice of people to piss off.

theres an expected response from a cop, just like the guy that pulled him over... the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable... you have NO right to question my athority, Im the man not you.... YEAH OK!

WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed? if you (the cop) told the guy the truth then you have nothing to hide and would be happy to show him the gun to prove it... rubbed wrong by HIS actions? how bout the normal everyday people that have been "rubbed wrong" by crooked cops.... and everyday there seems to be more and more of them.... alot of asshole cops have no problem with upping the speed of the actual ticket to **** over someone that "rubs them wrong".

anytime I doubt the speed I get tagged with, I ask to see the gun...
you HAVE the right to ask to see the radar, and the cop must show it to you if you do ask (at least in Canada), and if THEY get offended.... tough shiznit... part of the job...

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Reply #21 – November 04, 2008, 05:46:48 PM

I had a real b/s situation about 2 years ago...on a road with 2 lanes in each direction and no median....approaching a traffic light with NO LEFT TURN clearly marked everywhere...woman in the RIGHT lane jams on her brakes and cut me off so she can make a left at the light...only options were hitting her or stabbing the throttle and jumping in the right lane(another car at my rear bumper in right lane). So, I got into the right lane...went around her, and got back into the left lane to turn into my appartment complex a few hundred feet down the road. I pull in, shut 'er down and get out...sure enough, a motorcycle cop without his lights on pulls up behind me, draws his firearm!...and screams for me to get back in the car...as if I just committed murder...I was nice and polite the whole time...and that only seemed to piss him off more...after him questioning the legality of my emissions equipment, tire condition, and inspection sticker, I was getting ready to lose it...then he threatens to IMPOUND my car(in NJ, they can't just impound your car unless you have no insurance or DL)...I was reaching for the door handle, to get out, when the landlord came out and everything ended up fine....

Just some power-trippin' rookie looking to fill his quota at the end of the month.

All you can do is be as polite and accomodating as possible...the entire time...sometimes it'll work sometimes it won't.

Good luck to everybody on the roads,
Don

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Reply #22 – November 04, 2008, 06:09:59 PM

I had something bizarre happen to me one evening about 10 years ago.

I was driving my black '86 Cougar GS, which had seen better days. The paint was an automotive atrocity, the rear main dripped on the exhaust and smoked (more on that later) and it sounded like a total dog.
After an unsuccessful fishing trip with some friends, I was driving through a main artery downtown when I saw the "party lights" behind me. Pulling into an enclosed parking area, I left the engine running and rolled down the window. Mind you, I had done nothing wrong.
The cop walked up (through a cloud of smoke from the oil leak) and asked me to shut off the engine and step out of the car.
In less than one minute, three other cop cars, including a K-9 unit and a state trooper had pulled in and blocked the only exit.
All good signs.
As it turned out, some ass in a black Thunderbird had hit a pedestrian and left the scene. Based on the car's appearance, they were almost certain I was the perp, but they let me go because I had solid evidence that I had been fishing.
I gave them permission to look at anything and everything, so it was pretty funny to see them going through my tackle box and examining my fishing lures. That was hilarious.

I don't know if they ever caught that dude, but I did see a black Fox Mustang pulled over after leaving my encounter.

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Reply #23 – November 04, 2008, 06:29:04 PM

Quote from: 1WLD BRD;241646

theres an expected response from a cop, just like the guy that pulled him over... the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable... you have NO right to question my athority, Im the man not you.... YEAH OK!

Ummm.. no that's not what I said at all. He also could have asked for his badge number, or requested that a supervisor be dispatched. I said nothing about that the officer was in the right. I said that there are ways of handling it that don't involve standing on a road. BRING IT UP AT COURT. And if someone gets mouthy with you don't you get irritated? Cops are human too...and look at the rise I got out of you with one paragraph on the internet.

[/QUOTE]WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed? if you (the cop) told the guy the truth then you have nothing to hide and would be happy to show him the gun to prove it... rubbed wrong by HIS actions? how bout the normal everyday people that have been "rubbed wrong" by crooked cops.... and everyday there seems to be more and more of them.... alot of asshole cops have no problem with upping the speed of the actual ticket to **** over someone that "rubs them wrong".[/QUOTE]

I may have been mistaken when he said "Gun" I assumed he was speaking about the officer's weapon. Re-reading now, I see that he may have been speaking about the actual Radar "Gun". Living in a College town, people ask to see your Weapon all the time. i though that mabey he was asking to see it for verification that the person was indeed an officer. If not, then I am sorry. Just an FYI, most modern radar/laser guns do not have a "capture" feature. Showing him the radar gun would not have proved a thing, since there was nothing to show. And I'm not about to sit there on the side of a busy road and have someone quiz me about how the gun works and how it was calibrated last. AGAIN, should be brought up in court if it is a big issue.

[/QUOTE]anytime I doubt the speed I get tagged with, I ask to see the gun...
you HAVE the right to ask to see the radar, and the cop must show it to you if you do ask (at least in Canada), and if THEY get offended.... tough shiznit... part of the job...[/QUOTE]

Again, in the state of Wisconsin, the radar guns ECT do not have a "capture" feature. If there was, an officer could in theory just sit there with the last speeders speed on it, and write tickets all day. So what would this accomplish?

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Reply #24 – November 04, 2008, 06:33:19 PM

ive heard there is a number you can call while you are in the process of getting pulled over, star - 77, it connects you right to dispatch and they tell the cop to let you find a safe place, but then again, who has time to do all that when a cop is on your a**

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Reply #25 – November 04, 2008, 06:43:02 PM

Like I said, there are ways of handling it, and it *appears* that the OP did not handle it correctly. Now that's my "biased" side speaking, but I would like to hear from him. The *77 I've heard about before, but it wasn't here in Wisconsin.

Ever though that if he had pulled over right away *safely* that this would never have happened? I really don't see a problem with the way I suggested he should have done things.

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Reply #26 – November 04, 2008, 06:44:29 PM

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the world must bend over and let the police fack us up the ass when they are p1ssy... no questions asked, just do as we say when we say or I will make your life miserable..

How about:

Please follow my instructions because I don't know you from a ****ing hole in the wall and I'm not quite sure of your past of if you're carrying a concealed weapon that could possibly be used to harm/hurt/kill me during our little encounter here.

Politeness and cooperation can take the edge off the situation FWIW.

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WTF is disrespectful of asking for proof that you were actually doing that speed?

Lookup "independent speed estimation" No radar/Lidar device needed. Some guys become quite proficient at it. FWIW it's easier to testify on at traffic court than if a radar/Lidar device is used as far as the officer is concerned....Less things to be addressed.

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Reply #27 – November 04, 2008, 07:59:06 PM

Perhaps we all over reacted to the "leme see your gun" part. Now that i think about it, its probably the radar gun he was talking about. Only a common idiot would ask to see the Gun GUN.

"independent speed estimation"
Im starting to like this whole "verbal agreement" thing making the court process go quicker,,less things to cover. In the case of speed estimation, said officer has a verbal agreement with the speeding car as it goes by ,,saying...."your speeding".

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Reply #28 – November 04, 2008, 10:29:11 PM

its not that big a deal. However, unless you peel out, I don't see why anyone would have any problem with you still driving.

My friends younger sister kept getting pulled over, but never got a written ticket/warning, and kept getting in trouble for showing up home late. So her mom said next time bring the cops.

She driven home everytime she gets pulled over since, and she gets pulled over alot.

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Reply #29 – November 05, 2008, 06:21:56 AM

Quote from: jcassity;241670

Perhaps we all over reacted to the "leme see your gun" part. Now that i think about it, its probably the radar gun he was talking about. Only a common idiot would ask to see the Gun GUN.

"independent speed estimation"
Im starting to like this whole "verbal agreement" thing making the court process go quicker,,less things to cover. In the case of speed estimation, said officer has a verbal agreement with the speeding car as it goes by ,,saying...."your speeding".

It's only an agreement if your speedo says the same thing. :hick:

Cop- "You're speeding."

Car- "No I'm not."

Quote from: 20thanniver-ls;241657

ive heard there is a number you can call while you are in the process of getting pulled over, star - 77, it connects you right to dispatch and they tell the cop to let you find a safe place, but then again, who has time to do all that when a cop is on your a**

Not to mention that it's illegal to use a cell phone whilst you're driving in many places anyway.