My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

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My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #15 – May 26, 2014, 10:03:10 PM

I agree with there being more stringent requirements as to dog breeds, however, BSLs (breed specific laws) simply do not work for everyone. The average meth head down the street, yeah, no way in hell will he obey a "piddly-ass" law (not that I am belittling such laws, but they're basically an appeasp00get, and not a viable solution.)

My opinion: the fines for having a bigger dog that attacks people and/or other animals, especially smaller animals and kids should have to pay a very large fine for the first offense. Second offense the dog is removed and put down. Third time, their ass gets jail time.

I've had Pits, Labs, Beagles, a few various smaller breed dogs, and now Boxers. I've had one mean big dog, and 3 mean little dogs. None were mistreated. Some dogs do become just plain mean for whatever reason, and some are simply made to be that way. Then there's the kind of dog that for whatever reason just suddenly lashes out, and who can say what exactly causes it. Maybe the soon-to-be-splitsville couple were fighting, throwing shiznit at one another and the dog freaked and acted defensively? Who knows, and it's too late for that now. The guy (hopefully) should keep his eyes on his pooch for awhile and make sure it was a situational thing and not something lurking just below the surface, only to happen again.

BTW, was it a younger dog, or an older hound, like 3 years or older? Just trying to compare it with other events I've seen before....

Good to hear your wee ones are doing better, that's the main thing.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #16 – May 26, 2014, 10:28:16 PM

these were some of the deeper scratches inflicted......

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #17 – May 26, 2014, 10:37:00 PM

Happy to hear your son and his dog are ok. It's really moving to hear about that kind of heroism. I hope I'm capable of that kind of bravery if/when it's needed of me. Just wished the pit HAD been rescued instead of sentenced.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #18 – May 26, 2014, 11:35:14 PM

Quote from: Crash225;434205

Happy to hear your son and his dog are ok. It's really moving to hear about that kind of heroism. I hope I'm capable of that kind of bravery if/when it's needed of me. Just wished the pit HAD been rescued instead of sentenced.

Not quite sure of your comments meaning, but the Pit was a rescue dog adopted a year ago. The dog in this case is not really the culprit, as much as he was the cause of the physical part of the situation, this is a poster child case of how not to handle your responsibility for your dog.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #19 – May 27, 2014, 10:19:13 AM

No offense intended. I agree the dog wasn't the culprit. They shouldn't have let the dog go home with that woman. That's what I meant by being sentenced. We all know pitbulls have special needs. More screening is warranted.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #20 – May 27, 2014, 04:30:55 PM

David, sorry to see what happened to your son and dog. Glad they're doing ok. How's your son handling everything??

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #21 – May 28, 2014, 01:16:07 AM

Quote from: Crash225;434213

No offense intended. I agree the dog wasn't the culprit. They shouldn't have let the dog go home with that woman. That's what I meant by being sentenced. We all know pitbulls have special needs. More screening is warranted.

I took no offense at all, just was trying to get your meaning, which i do now. Excellent point.

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David, sorry to see what happened to your son and dog. Glad they're doing ok. How's your son handling everything??

Thanks for the concern Jon.....Evan is ok, and really is dealing with this like a champ. Scout is all healed up and feisty as usual.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #22 – May 28, 2014, 02:15:07 AM

the last thing we need is someone to put a tax / insurance value on a dog which will / could lead to total breed extinction.
when people choose to live in tight quarters and animals are around, conflicts will happen.

forgive me please but the thread title conflicts your writtings. the headline says one thing but the content says another.
not being a dick, just looking at the info you gave.

i was under the impression there was an attack even though now i see there was not.
if it was a heavy dog greeting, that happens to about every kid out there when they are still small.
dogs are fast and in the blink of an eye strange things happen like this.

i disagree with the penalties you quoted because it just gives everyone instant paydays to seek out and exploit.
while your doing your checking, find out where your "TAX" money goes for property taxes If ny does what wv does.
We pay a dog tax every year per dog to cover any damages to "farmers animals" if the event occures. nothing of the money goes to this sort of cause though.
we pay 4$ per dog per year.

im just kinda disturbed by the idea that law suits are being discussed knowing full well this was not an attack but a heavy dog greeting. If you reply, pls remember that your missing my voice and physical presence & eye to eye contact but you have my genuine emotional understanding to your situation and i mean no disrespect at all.

your beef seems to be less with the dog and more about the owners and making them pay. There is no law that requires people to act the way you want them to, this is difficult to compartamentalize i know. If you wanna work them over till they beg you to stop, i dont see even that being enough based on what your saying. The Ex-wife seems to have been an ass on the front end and she could have prevented a lot of this,, then again maybe not. We as parents get worked up quickly and volcano like when our kids are hurt.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #23 – May 28, 2014, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: jcassity;434239

the last thing we need is someone to put a tax / insurance value on a dog which will / could lead to total breed extinction.
when people choose to live in tight quarters and animals are around, conflicts will happen.

forgive me please but the thread title conflicts your writtings. the headline says one thing but the content says another.
not being a dick, just looking at the info you gave.

i was under the impression there was an attack even though now i see there was not.
if it was a heavy dog greeting, that happens to about every kid out there when they are still small.
dogs are fast and in the blink of an eye strange things happen like this.

i disagree with the penalties you quoted because it just gives everyone instant paydays to seek out and exploit.
while your doing your checking, find out where your "TAX" money goes for property taxes If ny does what wv does.
We pay a dog tax every year per dog to cover any damages to "farmers animals" if the event occures. nothing of the money goes to this sort of cause though.
we pay 4$ per dog per year.

im just kinda disturbed by the idea that law suits are being discussed knowing full well this was not an attack but a heavy dog greeting. If you reply, pls remember that your missing my voice and physical presence & eye to eye contact but you have my genuine emotional understanding to your situation and i mean no disrespect at all.

your beef seems to be less with the dog and more about the owners and making them pay. There is no law that requires people to act the way you want them to, this is difficult to compartamentalize i know. If you wanna work them over till they beg you to stop, i dont see even that being enough based on what your saying. The Ex-wife seems to have been an ass on the front end and she could have prevented a lot of this,, then again maybe not. We as parents get worked up quickly and volcano like when our kids are hurt.

J, i take no offense at what you wrote. Let me try though and clarify my postings, as i wrote much of it while feeling very upset and emotional.

1. The dog barreled into my son and the puppy cutting him up pretty good. It was like an attack as there was no warning of the dog coming. The dogs actions are irrelevant as the impression my son had was that of being helpless in the face of situation he did not ask for or expect. The owner was not only absent, and not in pursuit of the dog, but was absent for more than 10 minutes after the incident, 2 adult leaders literally had a stand off with the dog until the owner whisked him away.
2. It was only after careful examination, that we saw my son was not bitten. I still don't know for sure if my puppy was trampled in the fray, or if the Pit bit down hard on him, but not breaking the skin. (Scout is less than 12 pounds, the Pit was over 100.)
3. The owners attitude heightened the sense that this was a dangerous dog, firstly by the complete non-cooperation in obtaining the rabies info. (the dog was out of date, not in compliance) and the total lack of concern for my son, dog or the aftermath of the owners total lack of responsibility. Anger over me asking for a police officer to take a simple incident report. I have since learned that this same dog went after another dog and owner several weeks ago in a similar incident.
4. If this were a typical child i might not split hairs with you over the word attack, but to an autistic child that struggles with emotions and that has an anxiety disorder, this was and felt like an attack to him. He fought off that Pit like a gladiator, and protected his puppy with absolutely no concern for his own well being. He screamed for help when he could no longer keep the pit off our dog. The scratches all over his arms bear witness to that.
5. As for the tax rolls here in NY, i am a brand new dog owner, and not well versed in policy at this point.
6. As for valuation of dogs, i was talking more about liability, and, that much the same with cars, if you want something higher risk, one should pay for that risk in case injury is caused due to the increased risk factors. (no fight here, just makes sense to me)
7. Here are my choices as i see it:
Do nothing and move on.
Make him live up to the promise of taking care of the medical for the dog, and doing something nice for my son.
Sue him in civil court for the max (small claims) $5K
Go after him through his homeowners policy, and sue for big bucks for mental anguish for my autistic son.

I am quite content with the 2nd option, its all i really expected from the start. Based upon the earlier posts about the wife and her asshole attitude, i was seriously leaning towards option 4. I felt a bit better after my discussion with the Husband the next morning, as he accepted total responsibility for what happened, made no excuses, and apologized and offered to make me whole financially. It was the decent and correct thing to do, and all i was looking for from the beginning. Her lies, subterfuge, and tap dancing only served to incite me, and make a tense situation worse. The next day, just for the record, i called her to follow up, as she showed up to the scene after i took the dog to the emergency vet leaving her info. (Different name than the police report) Her first question to me was how is my dog. My dog? How about my kid you ignorant asswipe.... (i almost said that to her) My final question to her was can i please have your last name, i waited 10 seconds with total silence, before she said it(different name than she gave in the report). She then told me that the dog was just visiting for the day, and belongs to her ex-husband. My call with her soon to be ex, minutes later, contradicted nearly everything she said to me. Civil action was seeming like the only way i was going to get anyone to accept any responsibility for what occurred. According to cop on the scene, he told me that its a civil matter as well, and that based upon her attitude and what he saw, i would be crazy not to go after her. She actually said to me, after refusing to pay for the vet, and walking away from me, how do i know your dog didn't have a limp already? Its just insult to injury, and to be honest and not dramatic, i have no idea if this will affect my son in any long term way. I could easily sue and go after the homeowners policy, and you tell me what insurance attorney would want to march into court defending a Pit Bull and the moron owner who let the dog get out for 10+ unsupervised minutes, the lies and stalling from the owner, the expired rabies vac, and my mentally scarred autistic son, who was sitting on the grass with his properly leashed dog on a Boy Scout Outing? Nightmare case, slam dunk settlement. Im not a litigious person,(believe me we could use the money right now after the year we have had) and only ever want whats fair, but believe me, if this person fails to make good on what he said he would do, i will take whatever steps i need to make this turn out right for my family. I hope he does right and we can all just move ahead.

Thanks to all for the comments, concern and well wishes. I will post an update once its all resolved with these people, or not.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #24 – May 28, 2014, 10:51:40 AM

Hey Dave, I just saw this, ( I don't get on here as much as I used to.) sorry it happened. I'm glad to see your son and his puppy are okay. That's the important thing. He really is quite the trooper protecting his pup the way he did. I just hope it all works out in the end for yinz.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #25 – May 28, 2014, 11:32:46 AM

Quote from: 1Bad88tbird;434248

Hey Dave, I just saw this, ( I don't get on here as much as I used to.) sorry it happened. I'm glad to see your son and his puppy are okay. That's the important thing. He really is quite the trooper protecting his pup the way he did. I just hope it all works out in the end for yinz.

Thanks Jay, appreciate it.....

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #26 – May 28, 2014, 01:53:22 PM

i hope you do update us, there are many lessons we can all learn from your situation if this happens to us.
Your son was brave and protecting his pup was admirable to say the least~!!!

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Reply #27 – May 28, 2014, 02:06:33 PM

Quote from: jcassity;434251

i hope you do update us, there are many lessons we can all learn from your situation if this happens to us.
Your son was brave and protecting his pup was admirable to say the least~!!!

Will do J, thanks for all of your thoughts and comments as well.

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Reply #28 – June 06, 2014, 04:03:47 AM

Hi there,

New to the forum and this caught my eye. Glad child and dog are OK, traumatic events like this can be particularly hard on children. I went on 13 separate dog bite/attack calls when I was a firefighter and all but one was either a pit or pit mix. The one exception was a German Shepard. It really bothers me when I see people try and excuse or marginalize certain breeds behaviors such as the Pit. I know any dog can get out of control but it sure seems certain breeds have a propensity for it. I'm also glad it was only a rough greeting by an overly excited dog who didn't know it's own strength. Things could definitely have turned out different and worse.

Though I generally don't sway towards litigation to solve problems, when an irresponsible owner such as this lady act in the manner she did, perhaps it's the best course.

My Son and Dog were attacked by a Pit Bull this AM

Reply #29 – June 06, 2014, 08:36:21 AM

Sorry to hear the little ones got beat up im glad theyre both recovering quickly. As for the dog, thats all on the owner. I have a full blooded pit and shes just as sweet as they come... but she was raised to be that way with all the tlc in the world. Horrible owners that cant handle the dog or neglect the dog will turn them. Hell they are finiky depending on how theyre fed even. People just dont know how to handle them. I love my Sammi girl and John (1badbird) can attest this ones a big ole ball of love lol. If you bring up a dog in an apartment with little food they get the itch to get out and run!

Sucks that it happened. Period. Dogs are like kids to a point they need loads of attention or they start becoming defiant and rebellious.

/end rambling