Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Does anyone know how the fitment is on the 93 Mustang Cobra reproduction wheels Late Model Restoration sells? https://lmr.com/item/WK-1007RSRL/mustang-93-cobra-wheel-kit-silver-4-lug-7993
I'm considering swapping to a set of 93 Cobra wheels and 245/45/17 tires in the next year or so. With the power and suspension modifications I've done it's pretty easy to overwhelm the 225/55/16 tires on TC Snowflake wheels I currently run. The 93 Cobra wheel is the only thing I can find that looks kind of factory correct and allows for larger tires. Plus I'm pretty sure I can use Snowflake center caps in them.
I'm considering swapping to a set of 93 Cobra wheels and 245/45/17 tires in the next year or so. With the power and suspension modifications I've done it's pretty easy to overwhelm the 225/55/16 tires on TC Snowflake wheels I currently run. The 93 Cobra wheel is the only thing I can find that looks kind of factory correct and allows for larger tires. Plus I'm pretty sure I can use Snowflake center caps in them.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 11, 2017, 03:03:22 PM
Post by: Beau on August 11, 2017, 03:03:22 PM
Are you dead set against a 5 lug swap? I love the look of the '94 CObra wheel on a 'Bird. A shagier wheel doesn't exist. ("stock", anyway)
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 11, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 11, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
If you can find another set (2) of the snowflakes just have them widened. Weldcraft has done a few...
http://www.weldcraftwheels.com
http://www.weldcraftwheels.com
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 05:27:37 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;462124
Are you dead set against a 5 lug swap? I love the look of the '94 CObra wheel on a 'Bird. A shagier wheel doesn't exist. ("stock", anyway)
I spent $300 on 31 spline Moser 4 lug axles. So no 5 lug swap for now. Plus I may want to run the stock 14" wheels and wire hubcaps for show purposes one day. So it really looks stock with the hood shut ;) I'm going to be converting from 2.5" Fox Mustang LX tail pipes to 2.5" Fox Mustang GT tail pipes to tuck them up like stock.
I really, really want the sleeper effect.
Quote from: Aerocoupe;462125
If you can find another set (2) of the snowflakes just have them widened. Weldcraft has done a few...
http://www.weldcraftwheels.com
I'm not sure widening upfront would work. I'm thinking the larger 17" wheels would not only allow for better traction in a straight line but also help handling/road holding as well. I'm planning on installing a Maximum Motorsports panhard bar in the spring: http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Panhard-Bar-1979-98-Mustang-P480.aspx
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Haystack on August 11, 2017, 06:22:28 PM
Post by: Haystack on August 11, 2017, 06:22:28 PM
Still 10" discs up front? Cause 14" rims wont fit over 11" brakes.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 11:28:13 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 11, 2017, 11:28:13 PM
10 inch discs up front, 10 inch drums in the back (88 XR7 8.8 axle). So yes, the stock 14 inch wheels still fit.
At some point I'll probably upgrade to 11 inch front brakes. I just need to pick up some 87 to 93 V8 Mustang front spindles.
At some point I'll probably upgrade to 11 inch front brakes. I just need to pick up some 87 to 93 V8 Mustang front spindles.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 12, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
Post by: Beau on August 12, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
Or TC spindles. I've a set here. No use for 'em. Let me know. :D
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 12, 2017, 04:53:40 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 12, 2017, 04:53:40 PM
I see your point on the 16" vs. the 17" but you need to address those anemic brakes before you go any faster. Ask Vinnie how he likes his 11" fronts and TC rear brakes and after talking with him do your brakes first and then start looking for wheels.
So here are the original 93 Cobra Wheel specs:
1993 Cobra Wheel Specs:
RH: F3ZZ-1007-A
LH: F3ZZ-1007-B
17x7.5
Offset = 1.61" or 40.9mm
Backspace = 5.9"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
LMR's Wheels:
RH: LRS-1007RSR
LH: LRS-1007RSL
17x8.5
Offset = 26mm
Backspace = 5.72"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
So LMR's Cobra wheels will not fit a 93 Cobra due to that car using the TC rear which is 0.75" wider per side than a stock Fox Mustang 8.8 rear. The front rotors on a 93 Cobra a specific to that car as well in that the rotor hats are 0.75" wider than a stock 87-93 V8 car rotor. This was done so that all the wheels had the same offset so they could be rotated.
So with all of that said it looks like the LMR wheels have about the same backspacing however the rim will move outward about an inch. If you compare the two wheels with a 245/40/17 tire then you will actually only move the outer wall of the tire about 0.6" outward. This makes sense on an 87-93 Mustang being their rear end and front rotor hats are about 0.75" narrower than the Cobra. Figured all this out here:
https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp
Hope that helps.
So here are the original 93 Cobra Wheel specs:
1993 Cobra Wheel Specs:
RH: F3ZZ-1007-A
LH: F3ZZ-1007-B
17x7.5
Offset = 1.61" or 40.9mm
Backspace = 5.9"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
LMR's Wheels:
RH: LRS-1007RSR
LH: LRS-1007RSL
17x8.5
Offset = 26mm
Backspace = 5.72"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
So LMR's Cobra wheels will not fit a 93 Cobra due to that car using the TC rear which is 0.75" wider per side than a stock Fox Mustang 8.8 rear. The front rotors on a 93 Cobra a specific to that car as well in that the rotor hats are 0.75" wider than a stock 87-93 V8 car rotor. This was done so that all the wheels had the same offset so they could be rotated.
So with all of that said it looks like the LMR wheels have about the same backspacing however the rim will move outward about an inch. If you compare the two wheels with a 245/40/17 tire then you will actually only move the outer wall of the tire about 0.6" outward. This makes sense on an 87-93 Mustang being their rear end and front rotor hats are about 0.75" narrower than the Cobra. Figured all this out here:
https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp
Hope that helps.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 12, 2017, 06:41:19 PM
Post by: Beau on August 12, 2017, 06:41:19 PM
^Darren's info should be stockpiled somewhere. Kudos to your research, as well.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Haystack on August 13, 2017, 03:42:54 AM
Post by: Haystack on August 13, 2017, 03:42:54 AM
X2. Im almost afraid to post anything suspension related. Usually look pretty dumb after his posts.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Moonmount on August 13, 2017, 09:52:23 AM
Post by: Moonmount on August 13, 2017, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: thunderjet302;462133
10 inch discs up front, 10 inch drums in the back (88 XR7 8.8 axle). So yes, the stock 14 inch wheels still fit.
At some point I'll probably upgrade to 11 inch front brakes. I just need to pick up some 87 to 93 V8 Mustang front spindles.
if you want my set of v8 spindles you can have them for the price of shipping
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 14, 2017, 03:43:30 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 14, 2017, 03:43:30 PM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;462147
I see your point on the 16" vs. the 17" but you need to address those anemic brakes before you go any faster. Ask Vinnie how he likes his 11" fronts and TC rear brakes and after talking with him do your brakes first and then start looking for wheels.
So here are the original 93 Cobra Wheel specs:
1993 Cobra Wheel Specs:
RH: F3ZZ-1007-A
LH: F3ZZ-1007-B
17x7.5
Offset = 1.61" or 40.9mm
Backspace = 5.9"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
LMR's Wheels:
RH: LRS-1007RSR
LH: LRS-1007RSL
17x8.5
Offset = 26mm
Backspace = 5.72"
Bolt Pattern = 4 X 4.25"
So LMR's Cobra wheels will not fit a 93 Cobra due to that car using the TC rear which is 0.75" wider per side than a stock Fox Mustang 8.8 rear. The front rotors on a 93 Cobra a specific to that car as well in that the rotor hats are 0.75" wider than a stock 87-93 V8 car rotor. This was done so that all the wheels had the same offset so they could be rotated.
So with all of that said it looks like the LMR wheels have about the same backspacing however the rim will move outward about an inch. If you compare the two wheels with a 245/40/17 tire then you will actually only move the outer wall of the tire about 0.6" outward. This makes sense on an 87-93 Mustang being their rear end and front rotor hats are about 0.75" narrower than the Cobra. Figured all this out here:
https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp
Hope that helps.
So it looks like the LMR 93 Cobra reproduction wheels will stick out past the fender lip? Screw that noise.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 14, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 14, 2017, 04:58:05 PM
I would say no. The reason I say that is on a 93 Cobra the front rotor hats are 0.75" wider than the rotors on our cars. So if if you were to install a 93 Cobra wheel on the front of one of our cars it would move inward 0.75".
As for the rear, I believe these wheels will fit for these reasons:
1) I have seen the TC Snowflake wheels on a Fox Mustang
2) Snowflake wheels fit our cars
3) LMR Cobra Wheels fit a Fox Mustang
So play around with known wheels (diameter, width, offset, etc.) that fit our cars on that link I posted and see what you think. I'm pretty sure that we have the room for these wheels but I have not bolted a set up so I'm not 100% sure.
As for the rear, I believe these wheels will fit for these reasons:
1) I have seen the TC Snowflake wheels on a Fox Mustang
2) Snowflake wheels fit our cars
3) LMR Cobra Wheels fit a Fox Mustang
So play around with known wheels (diameter, width, offset, etc.) that fit our cars on that link I posted and see what you think. I'm pretty sure that we have the room for these wheels but I have not bolted a set up so I'm not 100% sure.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Moonmount on August 14, 2017, 05:05:57 PM
Post by: Moonmount on August 14, 2017, 05:05:57 PM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;462184
I would say no. The reason I say that is on a 93 Cobra the front rotor hats are 0.75" wider than the rotors on our cars. So if if you were to install a 93 Cobra wheel on the front of one of our cars it would move inward 0.75".
As for the rear, I believe these wheels will fit for these reasons:
1) I have seen the TC Snowflake wheels on a Fox Mustang
2) Snowflake wheels fit our cars
3) LMR Cobra Wheels fit a Fox Mustang
So play around with known wheels (diameter, width, offset, etc.) that fit our cars on that link I posted and see what you think. I'm pretty sure that we have the room for these wheels but I have not bolted a set up so I'm not 100% sure.
Eh, I picked up some real nice ROH wheels that fit perfect on a mustang, but rub on the lip of my fenders just barely.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 14, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 14, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Front or rear? What's the diameter, width, and offset? What size tires?
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 14, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
Post by: Beau on August 14, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
Kind of a bit off topic, but I did a spare set of 'flakes onto an '89 LX Stang (that's a 4 banger for you non Stang folk), and they filled out the wells nicely. Of course the tires were 225/60's, so...
Looked good too. What's even better is turbines on an Escort GT ('87). Very shagy.
/thread derailment..
Looked good too. What's even better is turbines on an Escort GT ('87). Very shagy.
/thread derailment..
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 14, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 14, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Someone here has a set of LMR reproduction 93 Cobra wheels. I forget who but I wonder how they fit. If I remember they are on an 87-88 Thunderbird.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 15, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
Post by: Beau on August 15, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
I know who you're talking about, but can't remember his name. He lives in Indiana, IIRC. Grey Thunderbird, 5.0...
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 15, 2017, 06:14:48 AM
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 15, 2017, 06:14:48 AM
I think it's"50tbrd88"..... He has the replicas in chrome on his car... I have considered these wheels in the past. Saw them on a dark blue 87 TC and they looked great.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 15, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 15, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
i think that's him. I'll have to drop him a PM.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 15, 2017, 01:28:36 PM
Post by: Beau on August 15, 2017, 01:28:36 PM
Yep, that's the guy
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: BCA on August 15, 2017, 01:31:15 PM
Post by: BCA on August 15, 2017, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;462192
What's even better is turbines on an Escort GT ('87). Very shagy.
That sounds interesting. Got any pics of that combo?
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
Here's an example with turbines... I saw a similar one at a service station near me (Triad, NC) a few days ago, and thought the 93 Cobra reproduction wheels look great.
youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXFC_PaG9I
Sorry for the sizes:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WqAY0IppaZQ/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1988-Ford-Thunderbird-Turbo-Coupe-Regular-Car-Reviews.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VnXFC_PaG9I/maxresdefault.jpg)
Daniel
youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXFC_PaG9I
Sorry for the sizes:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WqAY0IppaZQ/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1988-Ford-Thunderbird-Turbo-Coupe-Regular-Car-Reviews.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VnXFC_PaG9I/maxresdefault.jpg)
Daniel
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
Oh, and "thatdudeinblue" (David Patterson) reviewed the car when it had snowflakes. Interesting before/after change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oncx20RWL_A
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 15, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 15, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
Those wheels look great on that car. Has a factory appearance to it... Awesome!!
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
Post by: BornInAFord on August 15, 2017, 09:28:24 PM
I agree (and they were similar to the factory issued MN-12 "fan blade" or turbine wheels). Here's yet another video of the same car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqAY0IppaZQ
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: BCA on August 16, 2017, 09:27:19 AM
Post by: BCA on August 16, 2017, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: ISTLCRUZ;462235
Those wheels look great on that car. Has a factory appearance to it... Awesome!!
I agree, they look better on there than I had imagined.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 16, 2017, 10:12:59 AM
Post by: thunderjet302 on August 16, 2017, 10:12:59 AM
That's the car that caused me to like the 93 Cobra wheel as an option. Especially since Thunderbird center caps work in them.
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 16, 2017, 10:15:21 AM
Post by: ISTLCRUZ on August 16, 2017, 10:15:21 AM
In the video it says he used SC center caps?... Must be a slight difference?
Title: reproduction 93 Cobra wheels
Post by: Beau on August 16, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
Post by: Beau on August 16, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: BCA;462229
That sounds interesting. Got any pics of that combo?
Also, the 14" 8 hole wheels look sorta good. I still have this car, too. It was my first car, my first vehicle was/is a Jeep J10. Still own it too. LOL