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Technical => Engine Tech => Topic started by: jcassity on September 08, 2013, 11:37:16 AM

Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: jcassity on September 08, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
just FYI, incase someone needs to know...........

the bottom rear of the explorer intake has two vac lines  pressed in, one little and one big.
the big line gets hacksawed off flush to the intake.
It gets drilled out and threads made to accept your screw in vac tree you will take from your original intake.

it just so happens that the drill and tap for this required modification is the same sizes needed to add your ACT sensor as well.

You need a 9/16" drill bit and a 3/8" NPT tap

Note to the wise****
do not run  your 3/8'' NPT tap ***ALL THE WAY into your new hole you drilled.
If you do, your entire opening you just threaded will be a little to large for the object your are going to screw in.
If you run your tap in, stop when the tap is about 3/4 of the way up into the hole you are threading.

I did not know this and threaded an ACT sensor hole by running the tap all the way into the lower intake.
when i test installed the ACT, it felt oddly loose.

From this lesson and working on an explorer upper intake yesterday, i threaded my hole using my tap but stopped kinda early.

so, the 3/8'' NPT tap works but it will ruin your project if you run it all the way in.
just start test fitting your screw in object when you get half way in with your tap and you will figure out how deep you should stop.
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: beast50 on September 08, 2013, 04:25:01 PM
Hmm. Is there a way to fix this?
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: jcassity on September 08, 2013, 04:38:17 PM
nothing broke,, just explaining what you need to do in order to use an explorer upper intake on your existing 5.0 short block,, assuming you also got the explorer lower intake.
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: TheFoeYouKnow on September 08, 2013, 05:55:53 PM
Any NPT thread is tapered.
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: TOM Renzo on September 08, 2013, 06:59:42 PM
NOPE their is also Straight pipe threads just to throw a wrench in this.  Anytime you use a Tapered pipe tap always trial fit as jay points out it will mess you up big time. If that was a water connection he would have been screwed. Also never over tighten a pipe fitting. It can crack the manifold inn a heart beat. Ask me how i KNOW!!
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: beast50 on September 08, 2013, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: jcassity;421472
nothing broke,, just explaining what you need to do in order to use an explorer upper intake on your existing 5.0 short block,, assuming you also got the explorer lower intake.


How can this be fixed if tap ran all the way through so the sensor fits loose?
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: a77cj7 on September 09, 2013, 03:17:20 AM
Its just a sensor, I'd use enough teflon tape to make it snug. As long as your not running massive boost, wont be much stress on the threads.
Chris
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: a77cj7 on September 09, 2013, 03:33:50 AM
There are straight pipe threads, but the NPT standard specifies a tapered thread. Technically, you're both right.
Chris
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: beast50 on September 09, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: a77cj7;421494
Its just a sensor, I'd use enough teflon tape to make it snug. As long as your not running massive boost, wont be much stress on the threads.
Chris
Thank you, I will keep that in mind when I look my lower over again.
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: thunderjet302 on September 09, 2013, 03:24:02 PM
This is a bit odd as I drilled and tapped the hole for the ACT sensor in the lower I'm running without issue. I used the same size drill bit and tap. Are you sure it's a NPT tap? It wouldn't surprise me if you just bought it and it was labeled wrong or put in the wrong package. That happens on occasion.
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: TOM Renzo on September 09, 2013, 05:52:51 PM
The tap if it is a good one should be clearly marked by the maker. All Pipe taps must not be run all the way in. That is how they are designed. To fix it use a HELI COIL INSERT!!
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: jcassity on September 11, 2013, 07:57:11 PM
im gonna check to see if the tap i purchased is marked.

i will also post the part number / description,, good points about straight vs tapered taps, i rarely run accros straight taps, most all i see are tapered.

I asked for a super cool metric & standard set for my up coming birthday along with several grits of emery cloth rolls
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: TOM Renzo on September 11, 2013, 08:23:17 PM
Jay i do not have BIRTHDAYS any more!!!

Jay everyone calls the PIPE TAP Tapered . NPT NATIONAL PIPE THREADS. That is totally wrong NPT is NATIONAL PIPE TAPERED. The Taper rate is 3/4 inches per foot. NPS is national pipe straight. Normally NPS threads are used in ELECTRICAL applications like LAMP PIPES ETC> Just stick with me i am old and know about USELESS shiznit LIKE THIS!!
Title: Explorer upper intake vac tree fitting
Post by: jcassity on September 12, 2013, 11:02:10 PM
thats a  good way to remember the two  differnces tom,, thanks!
taking notes on that,