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Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: jamie_d5 on August 02, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
i have a 88 cougar with rear disc 3.73 rear end ratio and wonder what speedo gear i need. everyone says diffrently
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: TOM Renzo on August 02, 2012, 09:54:17 PM
23 teeth!!!
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Post by: 88turbo on August 02, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
where do you get said speedo gears new?
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: Aerocoupe on August 02, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
Go here and use the calculator to determine the tooth count.  Once you have that figured out you can buy the speedo gears from your local dealer if you are in a bind or if not you can order them all over the internet.

http://www.sccoa.com/faq/speedgr.html

I ended up having to replace the yellow 7 tooth drive gear on the output shaft of my T-5 to a black 6 tooth so I could run an 19 tooth driven gear on the speedo cable.  I kept shreading the higher count driven gear on the speedo cable.

Darren
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: 351fox on August 03, 2012, 02:24:35 AM
i bought mine at a ford dealership i think i paid like 20 bucks for it. but the did everything there
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Post by: mcb82gt on August 03, 2012, 08:44:58 AM
23 tooth, but mine is still reading about 4-5 mph high, but that is as high numerically gear you can get.  245-50-16 rear tires.
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: jamie_d5 on August 03, 2012, 07:38:49 PM
on my 88 cougar how many tooth count do i got?
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: Beau on August 04, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: jamie_d5;395348
on my 88 cougar how many tooth count do i got?

What gear ratio, what transmission, and what size tires do you have?
If you know your parts, Darren's link will pan out for ya...
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: jamie_d5 on August 04, 2012, 01:00:28 PM
i dont know how many drive gear teeth i have to fill out that chart
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: thewestie on August 04, 2012, 03:47:03 PM
Im using a black 21 tooth with 3.73 and a 225/60/16 stock tc tire size and acorrding to my gps its 4 or  5 miles slow on the speedo
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: kylesburrell on January 26, 2017, 02:19:26 AM
Quote from: Aerocoupe;395312
Go here and use the calculator to determine the tooth count.  Once you have that figured out you can buy the speedo gears from your local dealer if you are in a bind or if not you can order them all over the internet.

http://www.sccoa.com/faq/speedgr.html

I ended up having to replace the yellow 7 tooth drive gear on the output shaft of my T-5 to a black 6 tooth so I could run an 19 tooth driven gear on the speedo cable.  I kept shreading the higher count driven gear on the speedo cable.

Darren

So Im looking to put in an 8.8 rear with 3.73s. Tire size is 225/60/15. According to your link, AOD's have 8 tooth drive gear. So I need a 22.6 tooth speedo gear, so I should get a 23 tooth speedo gear, right?

And I might upgrade rear tires to 285/40/17. That gives me a 23.2 tooth speedo gear.

Just looking for some validation here. Thanks!
-Kyle
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: Aerocoupe on January 26, 2017, 08:56:58 AM
Did some interweb browsing and found someone that had posed a list of common output shafts with speedo gear combos based on year with an AOD:

1983
2.73 = 8
3.08 = 8
3.42 = 7

1984
 2.73 = 8
 3.08 = 7 Ford/Merc
 3.08 = 8 Lincoln
 3.27 = 7 unless P205/75-R15 Tires (8)
 3.42 = 7 Ford/Merc
 3.42 = 8 Lincoln
 3.55 = 7
 
1985
 2.73 = 8
 3.08 = 7 Ford/Merc (unless 225/75-R14 Tires)
 3.08 = 8 Lincoln
 3.27 = 8
 3.55 = 7
 
1986
 2.73 = 8
 3.08 = 7
 3.27 = 7
 3.55 = 7

1987
 2.73 = 8
 3.08 = 7
 3.27 = 8
 3.55 = (not listed)
 
1988
 2.73 = 8
 3.08 = 7 or 8
 3.27 = 7 or 8
 3.55 = 7

Now I am not claiming any of this to be 100% accurate and I have said I am a manual trans guy as I ripped the AOD out of my car and punted it to the curb over 24 years ago. With that said if you know for sure the tooth count on your AOD output shaft then the calculator I posted has been pretty  accurate for me over the years.  You can loose a little here and there but what I have found to be one of the biggest culprits is the speedo cable itself.

The 23 tooth gears are have a slightly different pitch to them than the stock gears so they do not last very long.  Some have good luck and they last 20K or so and others they strip after a week. To find an output shaft with 7 teeth on it and go through the pain of swapping the output shafts is just miserable if you ask me.  I would go the adapter route like this over changing a perfectly good output shaft:

https://transmissioncenter.net/shop/55ra-ford-speedometer-ratio-adapter/

You will have to buy a screw on style speedo cable but they are not expensive and most shops that sell the adapters can make you a cable based on the length of the one you have already.

You are thinking "Holy shiznit, $200 just to get my speedo to read correctly" and the answer is yes if you are going to run deep gears and an AOD.  My T-5 has a 6 tooth drive gear on it so I can run a 19 tooth driven gear with my 3.73's.
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: thunderjet302 on January 26, 2017, 06:01:04 PM
Your 86 has an electronic speedometer which uses a VSS sensor and not a cable. This is an easier option as far as calibrating your speedometer: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m4209adptac

Instructions: http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInstructions/300/397/397-speed.pdf

Edit:

Your AOD has an 8 tooth drive gear. With 3.73s in my Thunderbird I've been running a black 23 tooth driven gear without issue for many years.
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: 50RACER on January 26, 2017, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: kylesburrell;458991
So Im looking to put in an 8.8 rear with 3.73s. Tire size is 225/60/15. According to your link, AOD's have 8 tooth drive gear. So I need a 22.6 tooth speedo gear, so I should get a 23 tooth speedo gear, right?

And I might upgrade rear tires to 285/40/17. That gives me a 23.2 tooth speedo gear.

Just looking for some validation here. Thanks!
-Kyle


Kyle, just an FYI, if you haven't acquired an 8.8 with the 3.73, I have one in Manassas. It is still in the car right now.
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: kylesburrell on January 27, 2017, 02:16:43 AM
@Aerocoupe and thunderjet: Thanks, I think i'll just run a 23 tooth speedo gear on my VSS. Simple to swap out. Ive replaced my VSS about 4 yrs ago thinking that was causing the speedometer in my cluster to act up. NOPE! Cluster died :(

@50RACER, no thanks, I already have my 8.8 sitting in my garage. Waiting on some money to come in since the 8.8 is 5 lug. So im hunting for 17in 5x4.5 wheels/tires. But I appreciate the offer.

-Kyle
Title: 3.73 speedo gear?
Post by: Aerocoupe on January 27, 2017, 10:42:36 AM
Just so you know that 23 tooth gear will fail, not if just when.  Just wanted to make sure you are comfortable with the plastic shavings floating around in your AOD.