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Post by: Blackout on July 13, 2011, 02:47:15 AM
So I did something a few months ago, and you aren't going to like it. :)

I bought a 1994 Camaro Z28 with a 383 Stroker motor and a built Auto Trans.  The T-bird has been up for sale for a while now, but nobody has even came by to take a look at it.  I need to fix the power seats and its good to go for its new owner.


Here's the bad part:  I love the Camaro.  It pulled a 12.92 at 107 at Great Lakes DW last Friday, and did it on street tires. 

Heres some pics for reference......

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/Griggsbird/DSC00060.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/Griggsbird/DSC00061.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/Griggsbird/DSC00030.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/Griggsbird/DSC00025.jpg)

I almost hate to ask, but what do you guys think? :)
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Post by: 86T-bird on July 13, 2011, 03:12:53 AM
Good looking car and fast, what's not to like?
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Post by: Beau on July 13, 2011, 05:30:04 AM
Needs lowered just a tad...

Not my first choice, but hell, not a bad lookin' ride. I'd hit it.
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Post by: CBASS on July 13, 2011, 07:02:31 AM
It's good looking car.  I dig the Vette wheels and the 383 is icing on the cake.  Nice ride.
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Post by: Chuck W on July 13, 2011, 07:50:18 AM
Never been a fan personally, but whatever blows your skirt up.
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Post by: daminc on July 13, 2011, 08:19:41 AM
always liked the cars......... never really liked that style though
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Post by: 1Bad88tbird on July 13, 2011, 08:43:51 AM
No hate here. When I first read the headline I thought great another Ford got a chevy transplant. Nice looking Camaro, those wheels look good on it. A buddy of mine has one simular to it and they are quick cars.
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Post by: Loaded87IROC on July 13, 2011, 08:50:06 AM
No problem here, lol. Enjoy your new car!
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Post by: mcb82gt on July 13, 2011, 08:59:51 AM
Looks OK, Ive never really liked that spoiler.  I like Chevys, I have no hate for a Camaro, much better than a Dodge.

Side note...... I think the Tbird in your sig looks much, MUCH better.
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Post by: 50tbrd88 on July 13, 2011, 09:24:07 AM
I just like cars in general (hell I daily drive a Silverado and have a '72 Chevelle) so I approve.
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Post by: flylear45 on July 13, 2011, 10:31:24 AM
The thing I didn't like about my old (1980) Camaro was the car was so big for having such a tiny rear seat and trunk. It just seemed like such a waste of space. My wife liked driving it, though. 305 4-speed. She's a gear-head, too.

Yours looks nice in the pics!
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Post by: Blackout on July 13, 2011, 07:39:41 PM
Its completely a waste of space! LOL

I just wanted a summer car to drive the snot out of.  This car has never seen snow or salt, and rarely seen rain.  There's not a spot of rust on it either.  I'm not a huge fan of the wheels really, mostly because the  tires are absolutely retarded expensive.  I'm running a 285/35/ZR18 out back, so not too many options for good tires.  Its got a few rattles, but honestly its quieter inside than my Turbo Coupe.  I had to do an Optispark a week and a half after I bought it....... so I now know the engine more than I ever wanted to.

Here are the specs on it:

LT1 383 Stroker

GM847 Cam .539/.558 234/242 112LSA
42lb SVO Injectors
Eagle Crank, Eagle Rods
SRP Forged Pistons
1.6 Roller Rockers
Comp Springs
LPE CAI
Pacesetter Longtubes
Full Exhaust
PCMforless tune
Fully Built 4L60E Auto trans, kevlar clutch packs, Transgo shift Kit
Updated timing cover for a fully VENTED optispark
Single 3" cutout (I need a switch for the electric, but for now its just a removable plate.)


Not bad for 5K..... I mean, its a driver, not a show car.  The clearcoat has some minor issues, and there are a couple of door dings here and there  The T-bird just has a lot of work that needs to be done.... and I've lost interest.
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Post by: Blackout on July 13, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Its completely a waste of space! LOL

I just wanted a summer car to drive the snot out of.  This car has never seen snow or salt, and rarely seen rain.  There's not a spot of rust on it either.  I'm not a huge fan of the wheels really, mostly because the  tires are absolutely retarded expensive.  I'm running a 285/35/ZR18 out back, so not too many options for good tires.  Its got a few rattles, but honestly its quieter inside than my Turbo Coupe.  I had to do an Optispark a week and a half after I bought it....... so I now know the engine more than I ever wanted to.

Here are the specs on it:

LT1 383 Stroker

GM847 Cam .539/.558 234/242 112LSA
42lb SVO Injectors
Eagle Crank, Eagle Rods
SRP Forged Pistons
1.6 Roller Rockers
Comp Springs
LPE CAI
Pacesetter Longtubes
Full Exhaust
PCMforless tune
Fully Built 4L60E Auto trans, kevlar clutch packs, Transgo shift Kit
Updated timing cover for a fully VENTED optispark
Single 3" cutout (I need a switch for the electric, but for now its just a removable plate.)


Not bad for 5K..... I mean, its a driver, not a show car.  The clearcoat has some minor issues, and there are a couple of door dings here and there  The T-bird just has a lot of work that needs to be done.... and I've lost interest.
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Post by: Nytedragon on July 13, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
I try not to hate any car without a good reason, but most of the people I've met with 82-02 camaro's acted like total douche bags...dunno if it's the rule but even my own supervisor who has a 94 auto v6 acts like his car is the fastest thing ever...bashes me for my car being an auto...and a ford.  oh god the ford comments are getting old...I can't wait to tell him to shove his car right up his.....

But it's a good lookin car, better shape then most of the ones I see on the road...other than the trailer queens.
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Post by: The Shredder on July 13, 2011, 10:56:47 PM
Nice Camaro...  but I want your TC instead.  What year did they go to the LSx motors?  Those years are FAST stock cars.
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Post by: QUICKSHIFT on July 13, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
I'm a die hard blue oval guy, yet I just bought a Honda Ridgeline and the wife loves her Benz. Pull the Bow tie  emblems off , and it 's still an air pump surrounded in sheet metal.....nice ride.  :drink:
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Post by: Blackout on July 14, 2011, 03:04:41 AM
Quote from: The Shredder;363396
Nice Camaro...  but I want your TC instead.  What year did they go to the LSx motors?  Those years are FAST stock cars.

I THINK 1998.....  Yeah. with a tire they are bottom 13's high 12's Bone stock with the LS Motor and a drag radial.  The weak point in this car right now is the stock 10 bolt rear end.... I'm planning on scattering that early next year so I have an excuse to buy a Strange S60 :)
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Post by: Blackout on July 14, 2011, 03:07:19 AM
BTW, Here's a video of the 12.92 pass.  Its not that great quality, but you get the picture. :)  I absolutely RAPED the Camaro next to me off the line, and I beat him pretty good with a less powerful/slower car.  He was on NT ET streets too :lol:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v230/streetracer127/?action=view¤t=M2U00151.mp4
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Post by: DeltaElite121 on July 14, 2011, 10:11:29 AM
Quote from: The Shredder;363396
Nice Camaro...  but I want your TC instead.  What year did they go to the LSx motors?  Those years are FAST stock cars.

97 was when the Vette went to the LSx platform. F-bodies followed up a year later.

Nice looking Camaro. Good to see another one on the board :D Did the prior owner mention what converter is in the trans? I'd be looking at that first before I did anything else if that's untouched.
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Post by: jpc647 on July 14, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: Blackout;363335

  The T-bird has been up for sale for a while now, but nobody has even came by to take a look at it.  I need to fix the power seats and its good to go for its new owner.



So you sold the bird? What wrong with it? What's it need?
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Post by: Blackout on July 14, 2011, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: jpc647;363416
So you sold the bird? What wrong with it? What's it need?

The bird sits in the driveway :(    It is still for sale....

It leaks past the exhaust valves a decent amount, so it needs a minimum of a valve job.  If its cracked too bad for hardened seats, I was going to buy a boport head and be done.  Everything else is great, and most of the sensors are new. I have to bolt the seats back down, fix a power seat lead, and vaccum it out LOL.  Doesn't leak or burn oil at all.... and has a lot of upgrades.  The body is a bit rough, but overall its a great car.  I just lost interest..... AFTER putting a bunch of money into it LOL


I really don't have room for it anymore either. 


I'm trying to figure out what converter the trans has right now, the previous owner sent the trans out, so he wasn't sure for some reason.
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Post by: Beau on July 15, 2011, 02:20:30 AM
I'm about to replace the Optispark on my family car...IF I can find one...I  sure ain't buying a new one...
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Post by: SirChirpAlot on July 15, 2011, 09:24:33 AM
Nice car. I use to have 82 Z28 with 400sb built turbo350 tranny and 9inch out back.
Fun car.
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Post by: bhazard on July 16, 2011, 10:43:49 AM
Clean, but needs to go faster. My festiva could hang with it :p
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Post by: jpc647 on July 16, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Blackout;363453
The bird sits in the driveway :(    It is still for sale....

It leaks past the exhaust valves a decent amount, so it needs a minimum of a valve job.  If its cracked too bad for hardened seats, I was going to buy a boport head and be done.  Everything else is great, and most of the sensors are new. I have to bolt the seats back down, fix a power seat lead, and vaccum it out LOL.  Doesn't leak or burn oil at all.... and has a lot of upgrades.  The body is a bit rough, but overall its a great car.  I just lost interest..... AFTER putting a bunch of money into it LOL


I really don't have room for it anymore either. 


I'm trying to figure out what converter the trans has right now, the previous owner sent the trans out, so he wasn't sure for some reason.

It's a shame. The body on my car was pretty rough too. I'll find another one some day, completely rust free that is.
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Post by: TOM Renzo on July 16, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
I do not use the Opti Spark on my LT builds. Ls coils do the trick nicely. Or a DELDEQ
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Post by: Beau on July 17, 2011, 01:11:02 AM
Well, if I could afford to throw 800 bucks on a replacement for a distributor, I wouldn't bother with a GM in the first place, lol.

Still, looks like good stuff...which is why Generic Morons should have used something like that in the first place....instead of an ignorant-assed design, placing the (fragile) distributor UNDER the *%&*%& water pump.

By the way...how do you install a water pump on an LT1, and not have it leak coolant in 6 months to a year?

I've put 2 on the Caprice now, they've both failed in less than 2 years...the second time, it ruined my optispark.

I've used an Oreilly's pump, and the second came from a carquest. I put them both on the same way, used orange RTV on the pump, carefully slid it on, all the bolts back in, etc.
Even 88turbo was here, and helped out.


I'm no stranger to a wrench, but I'm apparently not getting something right. Any idears?
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Post by: TOM Renzo on July 17, 2011, 07:03:13 AM
ELECTRIC WATER PUMP . They work great and i have had mine for 10 years now. NO LEAKS but i replace the motor every 4 years just for safety. They work great.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&biw=1258&bih=586&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&q=lt1+water+pumps+electric&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2610184484135464255&sa=X&ei=HcIiTtrFGs-dgQfN4MS-Cw&ved=0CEcQ8wIwAw

Stick with me i would never STEER YOU WRONG THANKS
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Post by: Blackout on July 19, 2011, 04:17:49 AM
Quote from: ThunderbirdSport302;363554
Well, if I could afford to throw 800 bucks on a replacement for a distributor, I wouldn't bother with a GM in the first place, lol.

Still, looks like good stuff...which is why Generic Morons should have used something like that in the first place....instead of an ignorant-assed design, placing the (fragile) distributor UNDER the *%&*%& water pump.

By the way...how do you install a water pump on an LT1, and not have it leak coolant in 6 months to a year?

I've put 2 on the Caprice now, they've both failed in less than 2 years...the second time, it ruined my optispark.

I've used an Oreilly's pump, and the second came from a carquest. I put them both on the same way, used orange RTV on the pump, carefully slid it on, all the bolts back in, etc.
Even 88turbo was here, and helped out.


I'm no stranger to a wrench, but I'm apparently not getting something right. Any idears?

Here's another Idea.  When you get a new water pump, drill out and tap the weep hole for whatever size you want NPT.  Thread a brass barbed fitting in there, and run a hose off of that AWAY from the opti.  Works like a charm!  Also, make sure you silicone the seam between the opti cap and the aluminum body.  This can prevent a LOT of issues all by itself.  This is a vented opti I'm assuming, correct?  My 94 was converted to run with a vented cap, so it works pretty good.  My first time replacing one, it took me about 3 hours, from cracking the rad drain to filling everything back up.  I used a brand new Napa water pump.  I'm still not sold on an electric model though.... that would be a good option too.


Another thing, I'd only buy two different optis.  Either a stock AC Delco unit, or what I run right now:  Chandler Motorsports Optispark.  Lifetime warranty, GREAT build quality, and best of all it was CHEAP.  I think right around 175 bucks for the entire unit.  You can find Chandler Motorsports on E-bay.  He's only about 1.5 hours drive from me, and managed to get me my opti in literally LESS than 24 hours... through the mail.  Great guy.  He also sells the opti harnesses just in case.
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Post by: cougrrr302 on July 20, 2011, 10:52:09 PM
I'm not biased to any manufacturer. I don't like that Generation of Camaro. The front end looks ridiculous in my opinion. The wheels look really big on it. 18"? 17"s look good on those car, if those are they look huge. The 383 definetly adds to it. I'd rather have a newer Gen Trans Am WS6 with an LS1 made into a 383. I hate LT1's. Plus everyone I know with a Camaro puts headers and a full exhaust with a K&N filter and thinks it's bullshiznit when it runs no faster than a 14.2 at the strip.
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Post by: chri85tc on July 22, 2011, 09:06:58 PM
Ok well I got this, but I kept my TC too.