first off, sorry for the other thread getting "stupid", i guess i have a freak of a t-bird or something.
but anyways, i still need help figuring it out.
my car basically shuts off at 4k rpms, no matter what gear, no matter what speed. every sensor on the engine has been replaced, it now has 02 sensors in it.
the previos owner installed an HO upper intake, stock stang headers, and 19# injectors. he thought he needed the bigger injectors for the extra airflow. could the injectors be what is causeing this?
it's been narrowed down to either the injectors or a computer problem.
nah, you just need to stop this shiznit
Why do you need help if you already know?
Swap the f*cking injectors and eec and be done with it already.
Oh yeah, change the so cam to an HO while you're at it.
so does anyone want to come to western ky and see whos t-bird is faster in drive?
hey i got an idea! i'll be the referee.. you and your competitor can go have dinner and leave the cars with me... if you find me crawling out from under the car*... have fun while you drive it.. be careful though you'll most likely have tranny fluid all over the rear tires :D
:facepalm:
Yeah, my 351 will dog you, have fun being limited to 110mph. This isn't a g contest, you're full of and we all know it...no question, no arguement necessary. So get off it and grow up. Play with the injectors, see what happens...if no go, swap the ECU and see what happens.
My EGR was all clogged up and the control solenoid was bad, caused a similar issue.
i have no egr.
I give this about 2-3 hours before it gets locked as well.
Just drop it and move on man.
Not me, I'm too skared... :hick:
i dont know about that speed cap iv had my speedo up to 115mph one of my budys was with me too so its not just me that seen it
my brother and i have been researching this all night and found a couple of websites that say 88 cougars run 125. we have almost come to the conclusion that these cars were never tested and that the 110 limit claim was put into place by Ford for insurance purposes. these cars will run over 110 if you have the testicular fortitude to do it.
I will say this...
One night after work, I ran my white '88 Bird up to 127 coming down an on-ramp onto a 4 lane.
The speedo had the W2 mod, and it was a 3.8 car....as far as actually going that fast...who's to say.
Do yourself a favor...grab some E7's, an HO eec and cam, and get to putting them in. Take pics.
that is all.
I got this "Testicular fortitude" you speak of...
Someone let me use there 88 cougar and I will test it out to see if its true.
i know my speedo is dead on right. but i was on ice when i hit 115mph:burnout:
that night was fun as hell with about an inch+ of ice on the roads
glad to know i'm not the only one with a 111+ mph 88 bird/cat.
i have no clue if the car in a hole can do that fast tho.
Well while while everyone is comparing the size of their dick...
I shot this one while backing out of my driveway(yeah I have a LOOOOONG driveway)...
(http://members.pen 15s.net/turbocoupe50/140mph.jpg)
*sigh*
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I can concur. Before I did my 5.0 swap I was trying to chase down a guy in a TC so I could buy it. I was out on my local highway with my foot to the floor. I had the W2 mod done as well, and when I looked down it saw 126. I don't know if by that point the stock TC was letting off or topping out but I started to gain on him, not fast, but inches at a time. We eventually pulled over and he told me he just bought it, was simply going to beat the hell out of it and s it. I haven't seen it again, hope he didn't wreck it.
Backing out? No way! lol I have to call BS at 138 in Reverse. lol
Good god this is stupid. Banhammer, banhammer, banhammer!
I've done 200+ with a JATO rocket bolted to the roof of my T-bird. I saw it on Mythbusters and figured what the hell :mullet:
hey i think i remember that episode... didnt it explode into a billion pieces as it hit the ramp or as they hit the fire button on the jato's?
wasnt it the myth where a guy put a jato on his car and the car supposedly flew off the road and decentegrated to almost nothing as it hit a mountain and they were trying to launch a rocket driven car off a ramp and try to hit a mountain? although i sort of remember they just did a speed run with a jato type thing.
the best "JATO" thing ive seen was on top gear when they shot a mini cooper off a long jump ski ramp. that was intense.. but the stig jumped the ramp with a snow mobil was even more crazy.
Kinda. The first episode they did they bolted a JATO to the top of a 60's Impala. They didn't use a ramp but they got in up to about 250 mph on flat ground:hick: Later on they tried it again with a ramp and a much bigger rocket on a 60's Impala. That's when they blew up the car ;)
Yeah I lied, I was actually backing
in my driveway... :D
Don't usually do that, it's kinda tricky to get parked straight when braking from that speed...
I believe the original story of the JATO Rocket Chevy was a fabrication... Was circulating on the I-net back when Al Gore first invented it...
suposedly the whole rocket thing happened in my neck of the woods. My Dad told me the story when I was about 12. I'll have to ask him about it.
To the OP.....
I don't think you understand anything that anyone is trying to tell you. In order to give your car more power, you will need to improve airflow. These cars have 86 truck EFI parts. Trucks need torque down low so that they will be able to pull trailiers, hardly the thing you need to hit 110+ mph. I have had an 86 cougar over 100mph, and it is down right scary. I had the stock speedo with the W2 mod and had it read 134 mph. Just because it read this, dosen't mean that is what it did. I have driven my 87 bird at 55mph and had a "your speed is..." sign tell me I was doing 45mph, and the same month been driving in a 35mph zone and the sign told me I was doing 35. Either my speedo isn't reading right, or my wheels lost 12" worth of rubber off of the p195/60/R14's.
To make your car rev over 4k, put an H.O. cam in it. Put duel's on it, 2.5 inch or bigger, upgrade your intake and throw some gt40's on there because there the same price as e7's, and almost as avalible. Upgrade your computer and swap in 19lb injecters and an H.O cam. The stock S.O. motor can make power, if you take off all the parts that make it an S.O...
Including all the truck parts.
And BTW, the stock S.O. will not make any more power after 4k. It probably peaks near 2k if I recall correctly. If you don't belive me, hold your car is 1st next time you get on the freeway. My car will not neutral rev to 4k. I can actually start my car left in park, and floor it. According to my digital RPM gauge, its only hitting 3600. That is what 23 years and 147,000 miles does to a motor. I can barely spin my skinny tires in gravel and can't even power brake because my rear brakes are stronger then the engine.
Any by the way, there is no logical reason to be going over 100mph with suspension parts that haven't even been tightened in the last 20 years. The front ends of these cars get very light. You ECU "should" cut fuel at 6200 rpm. The stock digi dash will read redline over 5k if I remember right. I am going back about 6 years so I might be alittle off on that.
Take your tach off of the 4 cylinder setting.
i'm putting an HO cam in it soon as well as an HO computer. coolcats says you do not HAVE to put e7's on to run the ho cam and computer so i'm keeping my stock heads. i'm getting a complete explorer 5.0 as soon as this engine lets loose anyways so i'm just trying to get it to run right.
it will only turn 4k, no matter what gear. park, reverse, nuetral, OD, D, 1. does not matter.
most everything under my car has been replaced within the last 100k. Mustangs are supposed to cut fuel at 6250 also, but my brothers 88 will turn 7k easily
And yet the thread continues.....
Either someone is lying or the tach is shaged up, it ain't happnin'... I've had three different Stang 'puters in this car and all have cut the fuel at 6250...
factory tach and autometer are both shaged up? we also have a digital timing light and it will also show 7000. he SHIFTS it at 6500 when he is racing. it pulls hard to 6000
Friend of mine used to have an electronics repair shop.
In that shop he had a sign.
That sign read:
"You can't fix stupid."
Now, in regards to your thread. If all you are doing is wasting time and money trying to blow up an SO by revving it past 4 grand, well you, my friend, have far more time than I do.
If you are trying to make more than 150 horsepower out of e6 heads, you are not only bored, but a little off, as well.
There IS a reason Mustangs got the E7 heads in 1987..because E6 heads SUCK! get it?
Unless you port the fothermuckers, put in bigger valves, and shag-all else, you're as good as pouring piss into a pop can.
Just get the explorer block, and leave the SO shiznit alone. There's a ed good reason we all yank them for an HO ya know! ;)
sorry if I cam across a bit harsh, but we're all tired of sayin the same ole shiznit 38 times in a row here....
Hell I've done 188 in my '88, oh wait that's in kilometers... :flip:
188 km is over 110.
116.817mph to be exact
they say that HO heads are only good for around 20hp.
besides, an 86 Mustang had e6's, why cant i run them for a month or two?
and while the intake is off for the cam swap, i will probably do a little gasket matching. i know, most likely a waste of time, but it's free and can only help.
i already have an HO upper, 65mm TB, 19# injectors, cold air intake, stock mustang headers, gutted cats, no ler, and dumped before the axle.
i'm getting an HO computer from a buddy in a few days and am looking for an HO cam. brother is putting an F cam in his car so i'm getting his stocker unless i find one before then.
it should be said that we work on cars for a living. our shiznit is not junk like you guys seem to think it is. just because we do not go out and spend 10g's on our motors do not mean we cannot build fast cars. my brothers 88 mustang has a 70mm BBK TB/spacer, explorer intake, underdrives, mac headers, offroad h-pipe, flowmaster 40s dumped in front of the axle, and 3.55's.
the intake had some work done to it before it went on and the intake side of the heads had a little cleaning up while on the car.
it will flat out bury the 140mph speedometer, we have a few buddies with God only knows how much spent on their stangs and they cannot beat him off the line or top end
#1 you have TOO much injector for the airflow, even with e7 heads, this will hold true UNLESS you go to the ho eec at the same time.
#2 none of us here give two shiznits what mustangs run blah blah.
none of them ever had an SO engine (well, from '87 on up)
#3 pretty much the extra 75 or so horsepower in an '87 and + HO is in the (are you following me?????) Heads/cam/injector, BUT, it takes a matching eec to maximize that power potential.
While I will sure be quick to applaud you (or anyone else) for trying to make cheap power, doing it with e6 heads and 19# pound injectors is kinda..well, half-assed. On an otherwise stock SO block, just swapping to E7 heads alone will create a noticeable power increase.
This has been discussed, as V8Demon would say ad nauseum, but yet, the debate rages on....and on...and on.
The stock cam in an SO engine is also a pos that isn't good for anything but low rpm power (if ya wanna call it that) and efficiency (sorta).
Yet, you can spin it over 4K...? :rollin:
A guy I work with has an '87 or so Caprice Wagon, with what he claimed was a Olds 350 Rocket under the hood...well, we pops the hood..and it looked like a sbc to me...so as they say, the proof is in the pudding ;)
BTW...I think my Caprice with a 4.3 V8 can outrun your 4K rpm Tbird... :flip:
i know it's to much injector and i *THINK* thats what is causing my 4k shutoff problem.
i like i said i'm just trying to get it to run right. i'm not worried about ungodly power at the moment. i am getting a complete explorer motor to swap in within the next month or two and will need the HO computer and cam at that point anyways.
i wish the video was still around but its gone. there was a video of my car running side by side with a kia of some sort (hard to believe i know, but they said it took like 10 miles for the kia to get up to that speed) at 140mph. kia had no more and the t-bird walked off like the kia. i have seen the video so i know it wasnt a "fish tale" as you guys like to call it.
this was before the previous owner installed the few HO parts that it does have now. now it wont rev over 4k.
E7 heads will give maybe 20Hp over E6s... Cam, EEC, 19lb inj, 60mm T-body(SO are only 50mm) and a free flowing exhaust system are where the ponies are...
The E6 headed '86 HO was rated at 200Hp, but also used a SO upper and a slightly smaller 58mm throttle body than the '87-up... The '85 5 speed HO(210Hp) was basically the '87-up motor with a carb, used a E5AE head which for all practical purposes are same as E7TE on the later engines...
Dougie if you want help, stop the well my brother's did... We all know it ain't happening and if you come back once more with this shiznit, you'll be on my ignore list...
I'm debating adding this to the Phale thread....
Do it man, I have no idea how this is still active......:toilet:
Ok, first you want us to believe that you've got the world's fastest stock T-Bird, and now you're expecting us to believe that not only is yours the fastest in the world, but that you happened to match it up against the world's fastest
Kia? 140MPH in a stock T-Bird (and yes, without the HO cam, heads and computer at the very least, your car is still "stock") is silly enough to expect people to believe, but 140 in a Kia is, well, fodder for streetkiaz.com.
If you saw an indicated 140 MPH in your T-Bird (or your brother's T-Bird, or whatever)
and there was a Kia(!) beside you, I think I may have found your problem: Your speedometer is off by at least 30 MPH. And if you saw 6500 RPM in a stock T-Bird your tach is off by about 2k RPM. Even a new Mustang "only" peaks at 5750RPM (not sure what the redline is, but it'd only be a few hundred RPM more than that).
There are several very knowledgable people on here trying to tell you that you're not going to zing that engine to 6500 RPM and you're still insisting that you did before and asking why you can't now. 4000-4500 RPM is all you're going to get out of a non-HO engine. I don't know why you can't get it into your head that the
redline of a non-HO engine is 4500 RPM. There's a reason Ford made that red mark on the tach. All of your valve gear is still stock, non-HO parts, so that factory redline would still apply to you.
...and with this we close another thread. You've gotten a few good leads (computer, injectors), but that's still not going to get you to 6500 RPM. If you're going to keep asking (and insisting you've achieved) the impossible and not accepting the answers you're getting there's no point in polluting the forum any further.