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Racing => At The Track => Topic started by: 88'birdlover on March 07, 2009, 06:34:43 PM

Title: i wanna go fast....
Post by: 88'birdlover on March 07, 2009, 06:34:43 PM
ran the 1/4 mile last night @ 69 mph in 19.8secs. can any body help me go faster?:burnout:
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Post by: shame302 on March 07, 2009, 07:10:14 PM
V8 swap.....
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Post by: atariman on March 07, 2009, 07:11:43 PM
Take a ride on a jet airplane. That is fast:mullet:
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Post by: 88'birdlover on March 07, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
wish i had the cash to do a v8 swap but just not in my budget.:punchballs:
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Post by: shame302 on March 07, 2009, 08:00:06 PM
well, im afraid the words fast and NA 3.8 V6 just don't play together very well.
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Post by: Lightningbird on March 08, 2009, 01:20:59 AM
Oh this is absurd....don't dog the dudes ride cause he wants to drop E.T

There are a few things you can do to that 6 popper just like anything.

1. Get some gears (3.55-3.73 is best for street driving)
2. Get some air (good air intake system)
3. Get some drag slicks.
4. Loose some weight (throw everything outta the car you don't need)
a. Pull the front sway bar
b. Lighter wheels and tires
5. Kill those parasites (parasitic Drag from a Smog Pump is not needed, while you are at it get a short belt and run the alt and water pump...thats it).
6. If you hit the lotto last night save up for a Super Coupe engine and wiring harness and install it. BIG DIFFERENCE...Hell go 5.0 or 460 then....LOL

If you want a HUGE difference for the least amount of money and effort....go for the rear gears. Change the gears and it'll drop a second or more like that.*POP* Hell you may even get better fuel economy.

That's my 5 cents!!
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Post by: Haystack on March 08, 2009, 06:19:49 AM
you won't need bigger tires in the rear of a v6 unless you can spin them at launch. I know none of mine could unless it was really wet or  snowy. Put smaller tires on the front, like a mini spare with a road tire mounted on it.
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Post by: shame302 on March 08, 2009, 08:53:49 AM
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Oh this is absurd....don't dog the dudes ride cause he wants to drop E.T
I'm not puppiesg on his car. He said he wanted to go fast, not drop E.T. Granted "fast" is up to each owns interpretation of what "fast" is.
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 08, 2009, 10:37:19 AM
I've seen V6 Stangs done up to 300-400 HP granted most of them had a 4.2 from a F-150. The 3.8L isn't horrible.
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Post by: jpc647 on March 08, 2009, 11:18:09 AM
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you won't need bigger tires in the rear of a v6 unless you can spin them at launch. I know none of mine could unless it was really wet or  snowy. Put smaller tires on the front, like a mini spare with a road tire mounted on it.


Not even with a little braking, lol. Mine used to be able to do that, sometimes. You know when the stars aligned perfectly. :)

Quote from: 86XR7project;260115
I've seen V6 Stangs done up to 300-400 HP granted most of them had a 4.2 from a F-150. The 3.8L isn't horrible.


If a v8 swap is out of the question due to money, I don't think this would be feasible. Maybe, but probably not very likely. I mean a lot of these cars can be found with v8's which are all rusted out and the people only want cheap money to get them away. Mine was $200.

88Birdlover, if and when your driving around keep your eyes pealed for other 87-88 tbirds. You never know when a v8 cougar or tbird might be sitting in someones back yard looking to be plucked, for cheap money. Also, I'm not sure that pulling the front sway bar is a good idea, sadly our cars are a unibody and tend to flex. Maybe with a v6 its not a big deal, I know after my v8 swap it was though.
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Post by: shame302 on March 08, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
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I've seen V6 Stangs done up to 300-400 HP granted most of them had a 4.2 from a F-150. The 3.8L isn't horrible.
At what cost, never mind cost/return ratio? The 3.8 NA is horrible. Doubt anything more than a very scant few were NA and no doubt had a hefty purse thrown at them. The majority were likely boosted and we all know that isnt cheap.
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 08, 2009, 01:51:58 PM
Wasn't there a 3.8 Mustang in MM&FF a year ago that was fast as hell? I think it was a Super Six car and if my memory serves me right I believe it was NA too.
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Post by: 88'birdlover on March 08, 2009, 01:54:10 PM
is there a guide foe doing a v8 swap
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 08, 2009, 02:01:48 PM
I'd use the search function. I'm going to be doing that in the future so just take your time.
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Post by: 88'birdlover on March 08, 2009, 02:25:16 PM
leaving for iraq soon hopeing to get the v8 swap why im gone gonna be tough with wife and new born twin girls
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 08, 2009, 02:41:40 PM
Alot of the guys have done this and are more than eager to answer all or any questions. We'll be praying for you as you serve overseas.
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Post by: Haystack on March 08, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
check out coolcats.net.

Unfortunately there are very few performance options for cheap with the v-6's. The v-8's have lots of power compared to most years.
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Post by: jpc647 on March 08, 2009, 06:05:01 PM
I just completed the swap, I went from an 88 v6 swap and put in an 87 v8. If and when you get a motor and need help or advise, I"m more than willing to help.
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Post by: 88'birdlover on March 09, 2009, 12:31:44 AM
ok heres what i would love to have done to the car. want to eep it as street legal as posible is daily driver. would love to puteither a 302 or 351. havent figured out trans type yet would like to keep it auto. rear gear ratio still not sure either. any help with this is welcomed with open arms. would love to put a supercharger or a turbo. any pics and tips you have would be nice also.
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Post by: shame302 on March 09, 2009, 12:33:56 AM
well...

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wish i had the cash to do a v8 swap but just not in my budget.:punchballs:
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Post by: grutinator on March 09, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Lightningbird;260092

1. Get some gears (3.55-3.73 is best for street driving)
2. Get some air (good air intake system)
3. Get some drag slicks.
4. Loose some weight (throw everything outta the car you don't need)
a. Pull the front sway bar
b. Lighter wheels and tires
5. Kill those parasites (parasitic Drag from a Smog Pump is not needed, while you are at it get a short belt and run the alt and water pump...thats it).
6. If you hit the lotto last night save up for a Super Coupe engine and wiring harness and install it. BIG DIFFERENCE...Hell go 5.0 or 460 then....LOL


exhaust is always a good idea too
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Post by: 86XR7project on March 09, 2009, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: 88'birdlover;260225
ok heres what i would love to have done to the car. want to eep it as street legal as posible is daily driver. would love to puteither a 302 or 351. havent figured out trans type yet would like to keep it auto. rear gear ratio still not sure either. any help with this is welcomed with open arms. would love to put a supercharger or a turbo. any pics and tips you have would be nice also.



If you are serious about doing this I'd go AOD and stay NA for a while. Don't get your swap overcomplicated, stick to the basics at first you'll be happy with the V8 performance right off the bat when thats done. Truuuuuuust me.:D
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Post by: kingcars on March 09, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
I'd say buy yourself a cheap complete 5.0 off of someone on Corral, carb it, and drop it in.  Start with that.  Go EFI if you'd like later on, or boost, or a built 306/331/347.  But just getting a 5.0HO, AOD, and some decent rear gears will have ya in the 14s.  Trust me :) .
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Post by: 1BDBIRD on March 11, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
14.999999 if lucky???
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Post by: RunninWild on March 25, 2009, 12:38:55 AM
supersixmotorssports has some cool stuff for 3.8's. They ave these things called powerpaks which add up to 70 horsepower..the only problem is that powerpaks are for newer v6's. You could pull a newer v6 mustang motor....but im sure that would be a lot more work than necessary. at that point u may as well get a 5.0.
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Post by: Beau on March 28, 2009, 03:40:36 AM
To give you some pros vs. cons:

You have an '88 V6 car, right?

You'll  need:
87-93 5.0HO engine from a Stang (and certain year Mark VII's, but I'm not so sure what years..)
87-88 EEC from a Mustang 5.0
an '88 Tbird/Cougar ONLY engine harness(or unless your car is an '87, then find that year V8 harness, as an '87 harness won't work on an '88 car without mods, and vice-versa), and Mustang 5.0 H-pipe.
Dual hump transmission crossmember from V8 Mustang, same as before+ '87-'93.
If you stay auto, you *can* use what you have now, but don't expect it to last very long, as the V6 will eventually make the AOD deader than shiznit.
Also, not so much needed,but something you'll definitely want will be at least 11" front brakes from a V8 Mustang (again, 87-93 is preferable)
and maybe even bigger back brakes as well.
Basically, if you could find a wrecked but otherwise running Stang GT, or LX 5.0, there ya go.
It's pretty much what I did, except I didn't get the Mustang itself, or the EEC from it, just everything else.
Makes it SO  much easier when you don't have to go to 13 or 24 places to get headers, motor transmission etc etc etc


In short, drive the V6, and save for a cheapo Sport, or Xr7...Hell, I'd been looking for one forever, and basically holding back on doing the swap to my '88 v6 Bird.....then I saw the Sport I now have on a lot, so I stopped and talked to 'em about it...drove it, and wrote em a check and brought it home.

With a Sport, or even a Base or LX car that already has a the 5.0 in it, you can budget-build your So into an HO, or do what I'm doing, and drop in an HO and the required eec to run it.

And I know whatya mean about trying to do stuff on a budget, with little ones, my son was born in November, and it's sometimes really hard to plan ahead to accomplish things. Just remember....that car will not grow up tucked away in a garage waiting for you to drop a different engine in it..family always comes first. It's been a tough realization for me to figure out on my own. Someday though, my little guy will get to drive my old Sport on a date with his girl...and I'll look back and be glad I took my time with it.

But anyway..not trying to scare you from doing the swap, just letting you see what I went though before I found my Sport.