As the title says, I have a DOHC 4.6 and a t-45:burnout: to do somthing with,
I was going to put it in my 94' tbird but the ol' gal is getting to worn out! I was thinking of using it in a future day to day driver, but what shoud the car be?
87'/88' cougar?:evilgrin:
another less worn mn12?
83' to 88' tbird?
The DOHC 4.6 would stay mostly stock i think, maybe exhaust and intake.
what do you guys think??
More..from the side
well, theoretically id put it in a bird, if i were you.
mercury zephyr!
Would a modular engine even fit between the strut towers on a Fox? Those engines are ginormous when compared to a 5.0.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
1978 2 door if it were up to me.
Yep, they would
and yeah they are huge. ant i think an old 4 door fairlane would be nice.
I kinda like the idea of a 97' tbird or a 88' cougar...The newer bird would have more creature comforts, but the t-45 swap would be more diffucult. and in general, MN12s are harder to work on...
is it from a FWD continental?
if so, the bellhousing bolt pattern is different than a RWD block. meaning a custom bellhousing or adapter plate would be needed.
and, ummmm......
(http://www.foxtbirdcougarforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14962&d=1202624674)
My vote is a 1981/82 Tbird.
It's a 97' lincoln mark 8 4.6...I believe the block is refered to as a teksid block? I think it also has six bolt mains and "B" heads..so I'll have to use The stock IMRC plates for low end torque production..
Here in MI. a box bird would be hard to find in good shape. I've only ever seen them In local salvage yards..:( Today I came across a great deal on a 88' cougar with a 3.8 in white...It has a good bit of rust around the rear wheel openings. ONLY $300! I guy I work with owns it and drives it daily. I'm not shure about the rust though. I think I could cut it all out and weld in new metal.
personally i would just delete the imrc...
If you go with a lighter car, get yourself a 96-98 Cobra intake. You won't notice the loss of torque but you will notice the upper end improvements. ;) The IMRCs could go either way, if I could find a decent '79 Zephyr Z7 I'd let you know... ;)
I accually don't want to use the imrc plates because I don't want to buy a rpm activated window switch to make them work; I was thinking the torque loss would be to noticeable.
It probably would in an MN-12 chassis. In fact I'd stick with the Mark computer and everything if you go with a 90's T'Bird. You might want to check with the mustang guys too before you make up your mind on lighter stuff. I know the DOHC swap is popular on GTs and that would be roughly the weight range you're looking at in a later 80s 'Bird. Modular Depot used to be the place to go but it appears to have withered away... maybe modularfords.com?
What ECM are you going to use?
definitely do some searching on tccoa.com if your putting it in a mn12 chassis.
well, after doing some serching on the tccoa, It seems a 4.6 tbird computer is the best one to use...The lincoln unit controls all sorts of gizmos and isn't as easy to adapt to another car. I wonder if a 96' to 98' cobra computer would be a good choice?
What year the MN12 is will drive that. You'd be looking at adding transmission wiring if you use a 89-93 car. Only AOD that bolts up is from a '91(ish) Town Car and they're not all that numerous from what I can tell. Or you could roll in a 5 speed swap as part of the project. :D
My personal opinion is if you want a DOHC in that chassis find a Mark in good condition for $2000 in FL, fly down, lay on the beach a couple days and drive it home. You won't do near the work, it'll cost less even with the airrfare and beach front hotel room and you'll find that you won't miss the 'Bird/Cougar at all.
True that.
the mn12 tbirds and cougars are gross. id skip the hassle and get a better car with 4 valve power. get a mark viii.
if your going to go through the hassle of a swap like that, swap into a fox.
I've been thinking about a mark VIII. I'd like a black 98' with all the options and then I'd just put my t-45 in and have an extra 4.6 DOHC to build up if I choose. Too many choices!!
And why?? I've seen other lincolns on the tccoa and lincolnvscaddilac with 'em. I would think the only issue would be the computer and some rewiring . Also, I've read about the process of puting the t-45 in...hydraulic clutch, sc pedals and slave cylinder...making an extension for the shifter to sit back further. It all seems possible.
in mark viii's?....show me
mark7's sure, all day long.
i was figuring with the new mustang (05 up) it would now be easier with the shifter style they have but a few years ago when i was looking to swap a stick into the mark viii all the trans were too short and if it did work the console would be all wrong.
just go to lincolnvscaddilac.com and look for threads about t-45 swaps...lots of pics and info. Its the same process as the mn12 thunderbird swap; you have to relocate the shifter back about 6 inches or so by making a extension housing off of the existing housing and adding in a extension link to connect the shifter. The tech is all on the tccoa.
But seriously think about a Fairlane or Zephyr, somewhere arounnd 2700 or 2800 pounds with a V8? Come on man its an easy choice.
My second vote is a 2000 Lincoln LS.
And give me the 3.9 :D
Fairlane? did you mean Fairmont?
I want to put a 3.9 and 5 speed in my Fairlane.
Yeah.......My bad I always do that. A Fairmont Futura would be cool.
I can see this with a 4.6, yep.
I'll take two!
you were right, i was wrong...
well, upon searching i did find one thread about it. it has definitely been done but to say:
is a little too breezy. its by no means an easy swap, but finally it has been done. plenty of parts searching, fabing and modding has to be done. its not like swapping a stick into a stang or fox tbird/cougar. i think it would be a worth while swap if completed though.
i would never, ever waste my time on a T45 though, as specially in a heavy car like the mark viii. its not all that strong and also beyond that, with its integrated bellhousing its a wicked pita to work with in the car. If you pull it off deffinetly keep us updated on it. i would love to have a mark viii as a daily again but im just not interested in the auto's.
Ooooh! Do a two door wagon Pinto! That'd be an awesome sleeper.
Find one for me that's not rusty and and cheap and I'd buy it!
Yep, it's definately not an easy swap, but its doable. I'm still not shure on what I'm going to do; I know someone with a 80's firebird with a crossfire 305, maybe I'll get that:punchballs:
87tbirdman, I just had a guy in town that had a beautiful one for sale under $1000! To bad its gone now. Darn shame man.
Well, in all honesty, I assume your looking for a driveable car to put this in, and not make a big project out of it. That said, I would guess anything that has an available 4.6 K-member swap set-up would do and already runs EFI and wouldn't be too big of a c to match trans. I'm too old school for any such things, lol.
Well, I've got a plan now! I now own an 88' cougar LS so I've got a new driver. Also, I have almost everything I need to put together a basic 5.0 together for it, including a set of gt40p's and a few parts for a t-5 swap, so I guess I'll put the lincoln motor on hold intill I can get a swap like that figured out...
Thanks guys for all your input!
~Jonathan~