http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-coyote-v8.html
Word broke just yesterday that Ford was developing an all-new 5.0L V8 – internally dubbed ‘coyote’ – but our on-the-spot spy photographers have already managed to snap a couple of shots of the new powerplant. The 5.0L mill will essentially replace Ford’s 4.6L V8.
Although Ford has yet to make an official announcement, the coyote V8 will first appear in the base 2011 Ford F-150 and 2011 Mustang GT.
Thanks to a four-valve per cylinder setup, the 5.0L should return similar fuel economy ratings to Ford’s current 5.4L V8 – perhaps even slightly better. But despite an added focus on fuel economy, the new coyote V8 is expected to crank out at least 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft or torque.
With the 2010 Mustang and 2009 F-150 being all new models, we suspect Ford will keep the new powertrain under wraps for a few months just to make sure sales are not upset. In all likelihood, the coyote V8 could be kept a secret until mid-year 2010.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/ford-officially-announces-dual-clutch-powershift-gearbox-for-201/
With the new intake and throttle body moved to front where the alternator normally sits, the first thing that comes to mind is GM LS.
I'm sure it's more efficient than the side inlet they have had.
In this day and age I'm a little surprised that the intake runners aren't plastic.
I noticed it does have that new for 2010 "noise maker" tube running from the air inlet to the firewall. :burnout:
I wonder if this is an R&D result of the 5.0L "CAMMER" engine from the Ford Racing catalog or if it's just an "evolution" of the production 4.6 DOHC.
about time. that 4.6 is a joke to have in a fullsize truck or in crownvic.
that statement is about as sharp as a flat basketball...why do you think the 4.6 sucks?
Looks like FoMoCo took a good long look at the GM LS engine...and based it (loosely) off that design.
I mean, ...well...I hope it makes it to production.
well look at where the torque of the 4.6 is at! in the higher 2800+rpm range . sorry, i don't drive my 6500lb fullsize truck or the 4500lb crown-vic daily in that range. every person i sold a ford truck to with a 4.6. traded it back, for one that had 5.4!
the 4.6 is just like the old 351-4v cleveland. work great in TO the high rpm but when i need low rpm(2500OR LESS) to get through the mud/snow/ tow a trailer. there DOGS! that why they suck.
where i'm at .we use a truck for the same reason they built truck in the first place! we don't use them to impress the jones!
Based on the LS engine? This new engine has DOHC and 32 valves. It's not even remotely similar to the LS (not that there's anything wrong with the LS). I dunno if it's based on the 4.6, but it is closer in design that the LS...
Speaking of the LS, I was reading an article about them in a recent Hot Rod magazine. The article was about a new Dart block that is a hybrid of SBC and LS. In this article a vague statement is made that the LS heads are actually very similar to the Ford Windsor design. Interesting...
Wasted R & D money equating into higher prices to the consumer FTL....
Hopefully the cam covers are revised to look nicer than those shown....
maybe so but they make killer "street car" engines and race engines. they do suck in an f150, wrong application imo. but they dont suck.
bout' time ford banged out a modern 400hp NA.
10' stang will be sweet but what has my eye is the potential taurus "sho" version with the TT V6 @ almost 400 hp.
Well, 350. Not quite 'almost' 400. ;) I think it's much bigger news too. I'd like to see this dual-clutch in the SHO, and I'll act surprised when they give it one. :D
Just remember, this coyote mill is rumored to have an 11:1 static compression ratio....not exactly boost friendly. It's also rumored to have a 7000 RPM redline...
thought the same when i saw the heads, also take a look @ the RO7 race engine...looks like a windsor too
True....they will likely still use garbage pistons and rods in them as well. I would personally rather a NA 400hp car than a boosted 400hp car leaving out that the boosted engine generally would have forged parts.
[QUOTEWell, 350. Not quite 'almost' 400][/QUOTE] well true. until its produced who knows. i had heared almost 400 elseware but the current specs for that setup are 350. either way its finally something to cheer about.
Knowing firsthand the torque curve produced by a positive displacement blower -- I'd go blower ;)
Besides, I'm over 400 to the flywheel, LOL!
True dat, but it doesn't appeal to me as much as a DOHC 5.0L Ford V8 would have a couple years ago. I'm more interested in that TTV6. Would be nice if they would drop it in the AWD Fusion. :D
Show-off! :p
Well, i meant (also as posted before, lol) that it has the intake inlet location as a similarity, etc. Just my first glance at the heads kinda reminded me of the LS mills...sorta.
I dunno, I just see a certain "resemblance" if you will...even though they're about as different as night and day.
Who wants to bet that IF this engine makes it to production...IF it has 350-400 hp, and IF it really is all that and a sack of chips..that some GM-lovin smartass will say that Ford still can't beat GM with 2 more valves and cams? lol
I hope they build it though...
As for the 4.6 and 5.4 being py engines...it all depends on the application.
Put one in a heavy truck, and yeah, i know it's doggy and not what you'd want..
Of course. Because if it was the other way around, you know the Ford guy would be getting his digs in too. ;) Just try to imagine the Camaro/Firebird guys have been enduring from the Mustang crowd since their cars stopped being produced. The rivalry is the best thing for both sides, btw.
My personal opinion of the MOD motors? The switch to OHC didn't do Ford's V8s a hell of a lot of good. I think they should have kept developing the 302 family of engines like GM did with their small block. Remember the first ZR1, with the DOHC Lotus heads? Great motor, but GM decided the bigger package and higher cost wasn't worth the global change. With today's new LSX, I'd have to agree with them.
I'd always wondered what could have came from the Windsor had Ford continued its development... maybe a split port setup like the 3.8.. an aluminum block... more CI (like maybe an "official" short deck 347 stroker, an "official" tall deck 427, etc)
Alas, we'll never see. As for the modular: It was a bit slow out of the gates, but gradual improvements have made it into a decent engine.
I'd bet that with those same gradual improvements, the Windsor would still be making more power in a smaller, lighter, cheaper package. From what I can scrounge up, the last 5.0L Mustang was making 240hp, which is pretty small potatoes compared to the newest and best OHV V8s. That's going on 15 years ago now, and you know they could have made vast improvements in this crucial last decade.
I'd love to see a modernised 5.0L OHV tested next to this upcoming 5.0L MOD. But like you said, we'll never know.
Although not a true evolution of the Windsor engine; the new "FR9" NASCAR engine is probably about as close as you will get to a modern version of a Ford pushrod V8.
http://www.frontstretch.com/ncpr/22125/
I guess some of the (idle) rumors that the new 5L would be pushrod were not true. I still like the 5L moniker - it'll be nice to hear people discussing 5L engines again, though it may get confusing!
I'll take the blown 400RWHP as well, though after drivetrain and driving the blower losses, it actually uses 520 HP worth of fuel (flywheel HP).
Everything's a trade off ;)
40 HP well spent IMHO ;)