General => Lounge => Topic started by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 12:35:05 AM
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 12:35:05 AM
i feel like barry is not coming clean with his being a us citizen and for the sake of saving face, one judge has granted a suit be dismissed on behalf of barry. I have been following this topic and made it my adventure for about 6 months now and after numberous phone calls, letters to the DNC as well as calling, requesting the very information that is not being supplied, being told by the hawaii hospital that its not public yet, ect ect, finally I am convinced that for one reason only, we will never know.
Take into consideration that the rules are clear an that when ones citizenship is questioned, the lack of any response to exceed 30days is by law admission of guilt. we are coming close to an awful day and I know in my heart , one day, someone will jokingly say,,, "Ha Ha,, yeah right,, constitutional what?,, thats so old fashioned, for someone to use the constitutional rights card"
Here is the reason and the response of the one and only judge who granted the case be dismissed in the middle of the night. Please, any intelligent person cypher what the hell this is suppose to mean............... I am sure that any further lawsuit would be in vein as many judges and similar level political leverage are going to be out of circulation until after the election.
Are we in the mood for another 4 years of an illegal president?
"Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."
were are you america,?,,, ofcourse this is only my opinion as it matter none apparently each time i see the progress made on where the bail out package is going and the economic situation we are fighting through.
We really need to clean house, start over.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 27, 2008, 07:45:31 AM
My view is he probably is natural-born, so why not just come out with the stuff and shut everyone of us up.:D
Title: political vent
Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 27, 2008, 09:09:26 AM
OK, so how about putting this into some context for those of us who have not been following the mudslinging and muckraking (and are throroughly tired of the "He said, she said" attack ads on TV)? I've heard some of the news bites (who the hell is Joe the Plumber, anyway??? And what does clogged toilets have to do with an election? Oh, wait...) but what are we talking about here?
You guys are lucky, in a way. We Canadians have had to listen to two sets of political vilification this year - yours AND ours.
Now, since this is a "rant" thread, I'll add one of my own, and I think it's a rant that crosses party lines (and international borders):
It was announced that Canadian voter turn out was the lowest recorded. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that politicians do their best to turn voters off? There's no "This is what I'm going to do for you", it's more like "This is what my opponent has done to you". They're not even trying to convince us to vote for themselves, they're only interested in convincing us to vote against the other guy. It heartily sickens me. I miss the days of being promised the world, even though I knew full well the promises would be broken. At least the ads were optimistic. We used to vote for the guy we liked the most, now we vote for the guy we dislike the least.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on October 27, 2008, 03:46:44 PM
Really, what does this have to do with policy? You know, the part of politics that matters. Good job being drawn into the spin machine and voting based on something that truly doesn't affect your life in any way possible.
Keep your eye on the ball, people. The ball is the next four years, and beyond.
Title: political vent
Post by: Chuck W on October 27, 2008, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: jcassity;240485
We really need to clean house, start over.
That won't happen until everyone stops feeding into the failed system that is in place now...
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 04:37:44 PM
I'd bet Obama is U.S. born.If not,don't you think that would've already been noticed/Also,if you are born to a U.S. parent in a foreign country,you're still a U.S. citizen.I'm not arguing,nor will I.That was just my own opinion.
Title: sigh
Post by: t3skidoo on October 27, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Obama is a natural-born US citizen, Christian, U.S. educated, former college professor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Vote for whomever you like, but please do it based on facts.
Rational thought has benefits beyond enabling you to go faster at the track.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 27, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
I'd still like to see him release his birth certificate as asked to, instead of hiding behind legalities. McCain released all of his records when this all first came up. It's just a matter of principle to me. I'd sure do it. I've got nothing to hide!
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 05:27:56 PM
There's about both candidates all over.As stated above,you have to have the facts before you make any decisions.I was told once,believe none of what you hear,and half of what you see.That may be true..I have my mind made up,and I'm early voting Friday.
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 05:28:29 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;240596
I'd still like to see him release his birth certificate as asked to, instead of hiding behind legalities. McCain released all of his records when this all first came up. It's just a matter of principle to me. I'd sure do it. I've got nothing to hide!
Are you running for an office?LOL.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 27, 2008, 06:28:15 PM
Haha well no, but if I were I would do as McCain did and say "i assure you it's the truth and here's what backs it up"
In all honesty I kinda have trouble caring about the election when the Saudis are helping make oil cheap again so I'm putting 93 in my tank for well under $3/gallon LOL.
SPACES vinnie SPACES!!!! hahhahahaha j/k
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 06:29:36 PM
Spaces are a waste of space.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on October 27, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
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Obama is a natural-born US citizen, Christian, U.S. educated, former college professor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Vote for whomever you like, but please do it based on facts.
Rational thought has benefits beyond enabling you to go faster at the track.
must be true if its on the wiki...
please, 90% of the people who vote dont do so based on facts. this is as specially true to this election which is going to bring reckord numbers of ignorant people out.
Title: political vent
Post by: JeremyT on October 27, 2008, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: t3skidoo;240587
Obama is a natural-born US citizen, Christian, U.S. educated, former college professor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Vote for whomever you like, but please do it based on facts.
Rational thought has benefits beyond enabling you to go faster at the track.
Rational thought should include not using a wiki as a source of "facts" due to the fact that anyone and everyone can edit and contribute to it. It leads to possibly being an inaccurate and untrustworthy source.
Title: political vent
Post by: t3skidoo on October 27, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
Wikipedia was the first reference Google produced. If someone is really interested, it shouldn't be too hard to find a source more reputable Me? not so interested. I figure anyone "undecided" at this point is either trolling or completely hopeless.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 07:28:46 PM
I do have the facts,, and nonetheless,he is in violation of Rule 36. it is no more a matter of principle as it is a matter of our nations foundation.
CNN wont touch it ,, the ones who do are on top of it and i regret to inform you its not going to go anywhere.
Those of you who replied , thank you. In all honesty its a good thing that we can talk about this and keep it clean and neat.
I am just so depressed with the fact that people are not informed on this matter and it means that whatever obama's name is, that he step down as a requirement based on rule 36.
Oldraven,, it has everything to do with policy, everything.
I wont burden this thread with links and all the hoopla, unless someone is interested then pm me. Its a critical matter that needs attention by everyone today post haste.
Oh, and I'm not feeling any love from McCain either.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on October 27, 2008, 07:53:13 PM
meh...just remember, a vote for mccain is a vote against obama at least.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: shame302;240629
meh...just remember, a vote for mccain is a vote against obama at least.
and thats the thinking that many are working on but they fall short of the truth.
this election is for the vise pres,, neither presidential candidate will last 4 years. So with that thinking, isnt this even more spooky.
Neither will get my vote, until i get some help on which way to go , i will penciel in two names. I have to stick to my values and not stoop to the level picking something i dont want.
Title: political vent
Post by: TurboCoupe50 on October 27, 2008, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;240609
Spaces are a waste of space.
But it would make your posts a fornicatekin' lot easier to read... Which is generally why I don't...
Title: political vent
Post by: EricCoolCats on October 27, 2008, 09:39:24 PM
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this election is for the vise pres,, neither presidential candidate will last 4 years. So with that thinking, isnt this even more spooky.
Yep, that's it exactly. It's sad and scary to say but that is the underlying truth that hardly anyone wants to discuss.
And BTW, Caribou Barbie is dragging her feet on her own medical records. "I'll dig those up and git byack too yah!" Riiiiiiight.
Title: political vent
Post by: turbo88 on October 27, 2008, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: vinnietbird;240580
I'd bet Obama is U.S. born.If not,don't you think that would've already been noticed/Also,if you are born to a U.S. parent in a foreign country,you're still a U.S. citizen.I'm not arguing,nor will I.That was just my own opinion.
If he is US born why doesn't he stop jerking everyone around, produce a document that is legitimate proof to where he was born. Secondly you have to be a us citizen for 5 years after the age of 14 to give birth to a child outside of the United States who can rightfully named a US citizen. Obamas mother was 18, which is four years. The true dispute is where he was born, as of now no one knows for sure.
Title: political vent
Post by: FLSTCI71 on October 27, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: Thunder Chicken;240504
We used to vote for the guy we liked the most, now we vote for the guy we dislike the least.
Unfortunately, I have been in that mode for several elections now, and this one won't be any different. :mad:
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 10:12:41 PM
:rollin: :rollin:
Quote from: vinnietbird;240609
Spaces are a waste of space.
:rollin: :rollin:
I just caught that comment. too funny for sure but i'll admit i am guilty.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: EricCoolCats;240640
, Caribou Barbie .[/i]
OH GOD,,, are you the author of this?
If so, i hope it catches on cause its classic also.
opps,, look what happened to barbie here>>> trick or treat!!http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 27, 2008, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: jcassity;240645
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
I just caught that comment. too funny for sure but i'll admit i am guilty.
Yeah that right there is absolutely classic.
I never get sick of vinnie staunchly defending his every move. There really is no arguing with it. Just admit it. He's better than you. And he KNOWS IT! lol Vinnietbird for president '08!!!!! :rollin:
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: jcassity;240645
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
I just caught that comment. too funny for sure but i'll admit i am guilty.
Most of us here are guilty....(space)....but I'll take the hit....(space) ....I'm a big boy and it doesn't bother me....(space)....I spell pretty good and get most of the punctuation right.....(space)....so....(space).... I'll shrug it off and keep going......(space)....LOL !!!
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: ZondaC12;240651
Yeah that right there is absolutely classic.
I never get sick of vinnie staunchly defending his every move. There really is no arguing with it. Just admit it. He's better than you. And he KNOWS IT! lol Vinnietbird for president '08!!!!! :rollin:
NOT !!!!....(space)...... I'm just one of the guys....(space).....LOL !!!!!
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 27, 2008, 11:46:10 PM
Stop wasting space vin!!!! Look at your.....spatial....footprint!!!! :hick:
No moar presidency foar u! :beatyoass:
Title: political vent
Post by: vinnietbird on October 27, 2008, 11:50:05 PM
Good. I'm not really politically correct once you really get to know me. I'm a non-conformist.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 27, 2008, 11:59:41 PM
"i believe the constitution written by our fore fathers represents a blind spot and is the fundemental flaw of our nation today"
wonder who said that ,, does it mean change,, in a way you never saw coming.
Title: political vent
Post by: softtouch on October 28, 2008, 12:46:29 AM
McCain was born in Panama. Romney was born in Mexico.
Title: political vent
Post by: Quietleaf on October 28, 2008, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: jcassity;240485
i feel like barry is not coming clean with his being a us citizen and for the sake of saving face, one judge has granted a suit be dismissed on behalf of barry. I have been following this topic and made it my adventure for about 6 months now and after numberous phone calls, letters to the DNC as well as calling, requesting the very information that is not being supplied, being told by the hawaii hospital that its not public yet, ect ect, finally I am convinced that for one reason only, we will never know.
Take into consideration that the rules are clear an that when ones citizenship is questioned, the lack of any response to exceed 30days is by law admission of guilt. we are coming close to an awful day and I know in my heart , one day, someone will jokingly say,,, "Ha Ha,, yeah right,, constitutional what?,, thats so old fashioned, for someone to use the constitutional rights card"
Here is the reason and the response of the one and only judge who granted the case be dismissed in the middle of the night. Please, any intelligent person cypher what the hell this is suppose to mean............... I am sure that any further lawsuit would be in vein as many judges and similar level political leverage are going to be out of circulation until after the election.
Are we in the mood for another 4 years of an illegal president?
"Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."
were are you america,?,,, ofcourse this is only my opinion as it matter none apparently each time i see the progress made on where the bail out package is going and the economic situation we are fighting through.
We really need to clean house, start over.
I'm pretty shocked that, since the Constitution requires the President to be native-born, that there isn't a hard-and-fast, standard method for verifying such ("candidate shall supply Birth Certificate to SCOTUS/FEC/whatever by such-and-such a date"). If it's important, I would think we would have a procedure for it. We're talking about the Federal Government, here -- they have a procedure for *everything*. This fight shouldn't exist.
Who am I voting for? Let me put it this way: I don't get up every day and work eight hours to purchase health insurance for the people in Philadelphia County (Bob, I'm not talking about you, think a little more north-and-west). My parents were both immigrants, they sailed here and worked hard, had to learn a new language, even a new alphabet, saved their pennies, and built a decent life for themselves and for me. As for myself, I studied hard, and went to *Catholic* school my entire life (read: the government didn't pay for my education). I didn't use a government grant for college; I earned a full scholarship (take the SAT's early and OFTEN, folks, you'll thank me). Put simply, while I agree that the plight of the poor people in Philly sucks, I bear no responsibility for them being there and I bear no responsibility for getting them out of it. I won't stand in their way, but I don't owe them, either.
If people want things in life, they need to make good decisions -- take their education seriously. Study hard. Save. Make *sure* their offspring do the same, and don't tolerate anyone who endangers their kids' future. But they should live off their own wages, not those of others.
That should pretty well spell out my position :D
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 28, 2008, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: softtouch;240665
McCain was born in Panama. Romney was born in Mexico.
Softtouch- McCain and his birth place are legal as of the time when panama was not given away prior to the Carter admin.
Quietleaf- yep there is a process and thats what this whole thread is about. I agree with you though on your views.
Title: political vent
Post by: DVP on October 28, 2008, 02:42:39 AM
Quote from: Quietleaf;240666
I'm pretty shocked that, since the Constitution requires the President to be native-born, that there isn't a hard-and-fast, standard method for verifying such ("candidate shall supply Birth Certificate to SCOTUS/FEC/whatever by such-and-such a date"). If it's important, I would think we would have a procedure for it. We're talking about the Federal Government, here -- they have a procedure for *everything*. This fight shouldn't exist.
Who am I voting for? Let me put it this way: I don't get up every day and work eight hours to purchase health insurance for the people in Philadelphia County (Bob, I'm not talking about you, think a little more north-and-west). My parents were both immigrants, they sailed here and worked hard, had to learn a new language, even a new alphabet, saved their pennies, and built a decent life for themselves and for me. As for myself, I studied hard, and went to *Catholic* school my entire life (read: the government didn't pay for my education). I didn't use a government grant for college; I earned a full scholarship (take the SAT's early and OFTEN, folks, you'll thank me). Put simply, while I agree that the plight of the poor people in Philly sucks, I bear no responsibility for them being there and I bear no responsibility for getting them out of it. I won't stand in their way, but I don't owe them, either.
If people want things in life, they need to make good decisions -- take their education seriously. Study hard. Save. Make *sure* their offspring do the same, and don't tolerate anyone who endangers their kids' future. But they should live off their own wages, not those of others.
That should pretty well spell out my position :D
Its sad that so many of our families have been here for so many generations. Our family members witnessed, fought, died for the opportunities that are offered in USA but they majority of the people that respect and take pride in them are new to the country. I am luck enough to still have both my Grandparents on both sides (one is my step-grandpa legally but not to me), both in wars (WWII and Korean) to learn from and realize what I have. But even with that I still don't appreciate it like I should. The system is flawed, fine but abusing it more doesn't help. I have know people who have scammed all of us out of money by abusing the system even though they don't need it. Why? Because unlike the immigrants that at one time our families where and the immigrants today, we don't want to work for what we have because we know nothing worse. Sure Oprah sits there and shows us all this all over the world about how bad things are but what does that do? We sit there on our couches in the AC and heat eating snacks we don't need watching TV because we have nothing better to do with our free time but waste it on talk shows, that doesn't make it real to us. Those who come from that to the US see the greatness that can be had at the cost of working for it. We don't see that, we see a hassle. Its sad really, there is so much more to say about this alone but since Quietleaf gave me such a good opening i had to use it. Federal assistance is for those who are out on their luck, not those would gave up on life or don't want to earn their keep. I work for my money and the Government takes what they want. Then the lazy people take it from them. I worked for that money so should they. /Ending rant/
Title: political vent
Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 28, 2008, 08:41:10 AM
Quote from: jcassity;240664
"i believe the constitution written by our fore fathers represents a blind spot and is the fundemental flaw of our nation today"
wonder who said that ,, does it mean change,, in a way you never saw coming.
The constitution's a funny thing. Both sides (left and right) hide behind it, both sides accuse the other of misinterpreting it, and both sides frequently use it in court to push their own agenda. When the constitution works for your side (not you, personally, Scott), great, but when it works for the other side it's an out-dated rag that should be either sped, rewritten, or amended to back you up.
Examples: The right frequently uses the second amendment to justify owning guns, while the left frequently uses the first amendment to keep God out of classrooms. Even funnier, often both sides will frequently use the same amendment but interpret it in a way that suits their cause. Religious folk will cite the first amendment (freedom of religion) while trying to prevent something like same shag marriage, while the left will use the same amendment to prevent the religious from forcing their views upon those who don't share those views. Indeed, the constitution has so many inconsistencies, contradictions, and items that could be interpreted many different ways, depending on what you want it to say, that it could give the bible itself a run for its money...
Title: political vent
Post by: JeremyB on October 28, 2008, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: jcassity;240667
Softtouch- McCain and his birth place are legal as of the time when panama was not given away prior to the Carter admin.
McCain is definitely a citizen, however it isn't actually clear if he is a "natural born" citizen.
In 1790, Congress passed legislation stating that children born outside the US to US citizens were natural born[1 (http://"http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=227")]. However, this legislation was supplanted in 1795 with wording that removed the natural born portion[2 (http://"http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226")][3 (http://"http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=537")]. The Supreme Court has yet to rule decisively on what natural born means. There is no solid legal precedent as to what natural born is.
That being said, if it ever went to court, I'm sure McCain would be found to be a natural born citizen. Still, it isn't set in stone that he is.
Title: political vent
Post by: Haystack on October 28, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
I had a nice long page and a half rant typed out, and then firefox crashed when I clicked post. Oh well, maybe everyone won't hate me now that none of that got out.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on October 28, 2008, 01:18:16 PM
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I do have the facts,, and nonetheless,he is in violation of Rule 36.
Rule 36: If it exists, someone has a fetish for it. No exceptions. :hick:
If they both got this far in this thing then obviously whomever checks this stuff out deemed them both viable. We have to deal with it at this point...like it or not.
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Indeed, the constitution has so many inconsistencies, contradictions, and items that could be interpreted many different ways, depending on what you want it to say, that it could give the bible itself a run for its money...
I got $100 says that they were all high when they wrote it....
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on October 28, 2008, 03:02:43 PM
I still find it dissapointing that these are the main issues of the day, when there are so many truly important issues to consider. At this point, what do you think is going to happen? Are they going to disallow either candidate and start the whole process over again? No. Are you going to vote based on where a guy was born, or what his plans or policies are? One is the most important thing to consider for the next four years whilst the other is a side note. It just shows that your election really is all about personal attacks and not real politics. If you want to attack something, attack his plans, not his birthplace. If his birthplace is the most important thing you can denounce about the guy at this point, then there really must not be anything wrong with his platform.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on October 28, 2008, 03:41:03 PM
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If his birthplace is the most important thing you can denounce about the guy at this point, then there really must not be anything wrong with his platform.
What if both of their platforms are equally bad?
Food for thought...
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on October 28, 2008, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;240727
Rule 36: If it exists, someone has a fetish for it. No exceptions. :hick:
Really likin' that one. Yup. Good one hahahaha
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on October 28, 2008, 04:18:58 PM
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I still find it dissapointing that these are the main issues of the day, when there are so many truly important issues to consider. At this point, what do you think is going to happen? Are they going to disallow either candidate and start the whole process over again? No. Are you going to vote based on where a guy was born, or what his plans or policies are? One is the most important thing to consider for the next four years whilst the other is a side note. It just shows that your election really is all about personal attacks and not real politics. If you want to attack something, attack his plans, not his birthplace. If his birthplace is the most important thing you can denounce about the guy at this point, then there really must not be anything wrong with his platform.
more of the same mccain is a better bet than the alternative. i cant stand him. he is a terrible candidate. nobody is excited about him and there is no reason to be. but at least he is an american who loves his country. he may not be the ideal patriot, but you certainly cant say he is un-american like could be argued about his opponent. democrats win either way. B man is the ultimate, affermative action hire. if you ask most people who plan to vote for him why, they cant give you an answer other than "change". its a , ambarasing joke. i rather not see the change this socialist, racist man would like to bring.
fully aware that i may sound like a racist (given the fact that anything you say about him is misconstrude as racist if your not for him), he is in the race for one reason and one reason only, cause of his color. if his name was something like tom o'mally from kentucky or something, given everything else about him was the same, he would never have been even considered.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on October 28, 2008, 04:32:32 PM
Who said anything about McCain? I'm the farthest thing from a Republican you'll ever meet. I wouldn't try to sway any of you either way. I don't believe in telling someone how to vote. I just hate to see people vote for the wrong reasons. If a person is going to vote based on how old Obama's mother was when he was born (or how old she was when she left the country, if she did), they may as well not vote at all. If she was born a year earlier, would that make his platform more appealing? No, because it doesn't mean shiznit, when it's all said and done.
And Demon, if they both have py platforms, at least pick the least py of the two, not the one who dug up more dirt on the other guy. ;) It's splitting hairs when there's a boulder waiting on the cliff's edge to bash your head into the ground. The US economy is so important to the world economy right now. Please just vote smart, not over petty details that don't affect how the country will be run. If that means McCain is the better choice, to you, then go vote red.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on October 28, 2008, 07:39:21 PM
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Who said anything about McCain? I'm the farthest thing from a Republican you'll ever meet. I wouldn't try to sway any of you either way. I don't believe in telling someone how to vote. I just hate to see people vote for the wrong reasons. If a person is going to vote based on how old Obama's mother was when he was born (or how old she was when she left the country, if she did), they may as well not vote at all. If she was born a year earlier, would that make his platform more appealing? No, because it doesn't mean shiznit, when it's all said and done.
mccain asside, what would be the right reasons to vote for obama? my point on him ans his voters was that most of them dont have a ligit reason or even know why they are going to vote for him.
mccain is barely a republican, there is no real republican running in this race.
im sure we would have to agree that knowbody is going to vote or not vote on how old Bs mom was when she had him HOWEVER, if for any reason he isnt a lagit born in the usa american than that disqualifies him. end of discussion. i dont care if they found out he wasnt one day before the election. if thats the case he should be out. period.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on October 28, 2008, 09:46:13 PM
Hey oldraven and thunderchicken,, this response is to the two of you,,,, and as long as we keep it clean, its not a bad thread everyone,, just constructive advise from eachother.
Oldraven...I see your point I see that i have not represented myself correctly and im sorry for that. The reason for my focus on BO was as a result of so many other things that were sour. Based on these reasons to include latest information , i decided that at the very least, a fundemental portion of a mans ability to run for office be met without question. As i stated before, McCain falls under a territory that was under US Control prior to the Carter admin. Carter gave Panama back as a huge mistake and we pay for it to this day. I do not think that the three max dollar figures BO and his buddy have quoted for who is going to see increased taxes makes any sense. One speach he says 250k / year, and in another he says 200k/year while his buddy says 150k/year. My thoughts are he wants a chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway. To my amazement, he said that in his own way. He will make sure everyone has a job, has a house and has a car I have common sense and i tell you today as i am usually right about this stuff,, if that man gets into office the dems will not be able to control him. My basic point is we have too many issues and drama and little room in our chaos to absorb more new drama and chaos without fixing some old problems. His solution is to put everyone on the same playing field mandating you be put in a catagory forcing you to give away your hard work to the guy sitting around doing nothing. Many will "get a check" from the BO plan based on them having nothing and all the while having max'd out all previous gov't assistance by playing the game of scammer. Im getting too windy here so in short,, he is asking for a lot of change that happens to be very bad timing especially when he also insists he wants to create a new "bill of rights".
this brings me to thunderchicken.... Our bill of rights is perfect in every form and is and will be applicable for infinity if correctly read. Non of thsi "what is meant by natural borne" because our fore fathers assumed we would have common sense. This same thing was tried as well when it was in court about "illegal " alien as our constituion did not define the actual meaning of "Illegal" at that time. How stupid could one be to buy into this propoganda. Our fore fathers assumed again, we know what illegal is. It would even more stupid if our constitution needed a definition for every word used such as "the". Again, our fore fathers assumed smart people can read and define things in a logical debate without over complicating simple stuff. So,, our constitution is not a rag, nor out dated to say the least. The problem is the lobyists and thier drug deals on capital hill have implanted an illness in the nation that needs a cure. A cure would be to delete lobyists and think tanks wihch would also force the elected officials to make choices based on the very reasons thier heart brought them to politics in the first place. I know you did not mean anything bad by what you said and your calling the constitution or the bill of rights a rag was just a figure of speach. , atleast i think thats what you meant.
to everyone................. Why did our fore fathers leave england? why did'nt they just group up and defeat england? Why did they decide to leave? When we got here, why did we have a boston tea party?
because they wanted what is stated in the bill of rights. With BO, look at your new king. With McCain, look at your new Bush.
A voter picking the less of either evil forces one to remember that they did vote agianst thier heart. No voter should bear the burden of knowing they did the wrong thing in advance.
with a total clean up or an honest man willing to run off lobyists, our true capitalistic society could grab hold again.
I can see many many people now becoming dependant on the govt for assistance they think is owed to them just like those who had no credit line 15 years ago think somehow they should be allowed to have a home , car, pool , and toys with no job. I have been down on my luck and have suffered through many layoffs. I have max'd out unemployment benefits and at one point the wife and i applied for food stamps not too long ago because we needed help. we were disqualified for food stamps because my unemployment check of 225/week said i made too much money. I finally got approval when we had no income except for my wife working at a gas station and me tearing down barns in the daytime and later in the evening i would shovel turkey shiznit for a local company all being paid under the table. Yes that is illegal and id pay the consequence if ever it comes up. I do what i have to do including scooping bird to make ends meet.
there are many free handouts coming to a house near you and those people will be in better cloths and a better car than you with BO.
with mccain, its more of the same but i hope he gets his act together and makes me want to vote for him. All i have to hear him say is this,,,"i will not accept any bill with pork nor will i tolerate lobyist in my house, further more I plan to to achieve the following xyz and here is how i am going to get us there"
Neither candidate will give an accounting perspective plan on whats going to happen.
On a side note,, our oil prices are something that I think is Faux once again. I think the very threat of both running now preaching the idea of alternative energy programs has the middle east kind of worked up. So, we as a nation are getting played by them. They drop the oil price and the hype of alternative this and alternative that has little leverage as you see gas becoming more affordable. Once they see either candidate does not intend to impliment such a program to stimulate jobs ect,,, the oil will rise to tripple digits again...........mark my words.
sorry for the long rant,, and typo's ,, i just got into the hotel here in indiaapololis and forgot my reading glasses.
thanks everyone again for keeping this neat, informative and clean. we all need eachother no matter which way we vote. I just needed someone to say something that makes this election sort of "click" for me. I am still on an even keel.
Title: political vent
Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 28, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
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this brings me to thunderchicken.... Our bill of rights is perfect in every form and is and will be applicable for infinity if correctly read. Non of thsi "what is meant by natural borne" because our fore fathers assumed we would have common sense. This same thing was tried as well when it was in court about "illegal " alien as our constituion did not define the actual meaning of "Illegal" at that time. How stupid could one be to buy into this propoganda. Our fore fathers assumed again, we know what illegal is. It would even more stupid if our constitution needed a definition for every word used such as "the". Again, our fore fathers assumed smart people can read and define things in a logical debate without over complicating simple stuff. So,, our constitution is not a rag, nor out dated to say the least. The problem is the lobyists and thier drug deals on capital hill have implanted an illness in the nation that needs a cure. A cure would be to delete lobyists and think tanks wihch would also force the elected officials to make choices based on the very reasons thier heart brought them to politics in the first place. I know you did not mean anything bad by what you said and your calling the constitution or the bill of rights a rag was just a figure of speach. , atleast i think thats what you meant.
Actually, I didn't call your constitution a rag at all. I was making fun of the people who do, and people on both sides do. Like I said; The left call it an outdated rag when the right is using it to promote their cause (second amendment, f'rinstnace), the right call it a rag when the left is using it to, say, defend the pro choice movement.
I have much respect for the constitution, much like i have much respect for the bible. Where I lose respect is when people twist both documents to push their own agenda. Using my previous examples, the right twists the second amendment to mean that "bear arms" means "own assault rifles". They want the amendment to be very broad in this case, because it suits them (I own hunting rifles and shotguns, lest anyone reading this think I'm totally anti-gun - I'm only using this as an example because it's an easy one). Similarly, the left pushes a broad interpretation of the ninth amendment when talking abortion.
You pretty much summed it up yourself: People nit-pick and second guess even the simplest things (such as the word "the") if there's a chance they can twist the meaning to suit them. Personally, I blame the lawyers.
I do agree with Oldraven on the main topic of this thread, though: Vote for who you think is going to do the best for the country (or the least damage, anyway). Instead of looking for reasons to vote AGAINST candidate A, look for reasons to vote FOR candidate B. I know this is nigh on impossible, since neither candidate gives much reason to vote for them, and the same goes for senators and congressmen as well. All I see on US stations (and I have time shift, so I see all major US networks in all time zones, plus minor networks such as Peachtree) is negative ads. Not a single candidate is saying "Vote for me and I'll do this". Every single ad I've seen is "This is what this guy did. Shame on him." This is true of both democrats and republicans. Absolutely nothing positive.
And they wonder why young voters are turned off. The sad thing is that Canadian politicians, especially the conservative party, have picked up on the negativity tactics (our PM's party campaigned for a month before even releasing its platform, instead focusing on making its competition look bad).
Title: political vent
Post by: xjeffs on October 28, 2008, 10:43:48 PM
Let's be honest. This choice of president won't make much difference. They are both awful. The real problem is with Congress. It's never been this completely, ineptly run.
With commodity prices the way they are (oil, corn, wheat) the turn around will be quick, the economy will grow so that companies are cautiously hiring by next April/May and the new president will take credit, even though his policies won't take effect till late 2009.
Title: political vent
Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 28, 2008, 10:54:14 PM
As for oil prices, I've said it all along: As soon as oil producers start seeing a serious threat to their energy monopolies, the prices would plummet to make those threats go away. No government, left or right, would ever force its people to pay more for energy just to promote alternatives. It would be political suicide to tell people they have to pay $4/gallon for biofuel while petroleum fuel is half the price. This is why it's with mixed feelings that I watch fuel prices plummet. On one hand it's nice to spend less on fuel, but on the other it's disappointing to see alternative energy research dry up because nobody will want it with cheap fuel.
As for OPEC: They were right all along (this is another thing I've argued). There always was plenty of oil on the market. Nobody was in any danger of running out. With the exception of some problems in the southeast after the hurricanes nobody ran out of fuel (and those problems in the southeast were refining issues, not crude shortages). In the 1970's, when they were rationing fuel, there was a real shortage (even if it was for artificial reasons). This time around there wasn't a shortage, there was just a bunch of "get rich quick" investors hoping there would be one. Speculation drove prices up, and the lack of speculation is driving prices down. It was a classic bubble, much the same as the tech bubble and the housing bubble. Normal economic principles did not apply, and when they finally did start applying it was brutal. Those investors who ignored common sense paid dearly.
I liken the oil bubble to an infamous Canadian navy experiment. A newly refitted boat was tested to see how far they could make it list before capsizing it. They pushed it further and further until it finally capsized, taking millions of dollars of brand new equipment with it. Right at dockside, the thing nearly sunk. Not one of the Canadian navy's proudest moments (and there were few proud moments to pick from anyway).
Oil speculators did the same thing. They kept pushing the prices higher and higher, trying to see at what point people would change their behaviour. UP-UP-UP, no reason for it, just raise the price because we can. They finally reached the point where people had enough, and sure enough we changed our behaviour. We drove less, SUV's suffered a mass exodus, we started carpooling, and some of us even resorted to public transportation, or, *GASP*, walking or cycling. The change happened fast - probably faster than any mass change in society's habits in history. Within weeks people all over the world changed. It happened too fast for investors to react. It happened too fast for oil producers to react. It happened too fast for automakers to react. It happened so fast, in fact, that prices actually dropped faster than they went up (and are still dropping, though they'll likely see an occasional bump in the downward spiral).
The stuffed suits on Wall Street are blaming the energy price plummet on a slowing economy. You see it every day on the financial news: "Dow goes up, so oil goes up too because investors think a recovering economy will mean increased demand".
I think it's vice-versa. They pushed us until we wouldn't (or couldn't) pay anymore. Every cent we spent on energy was a cent we couldn't spend on something else (including, in many cases, mortgages - hordes of people had to make the choice between immediate warmth and imminent foreclosure). I also think a recovering economy will not mean significant increases in energy demand. If the financial crisis ended tomorrow there would not be a line-up at Hummer dealerships. When people can afford to buy cars again (or when they can get loans to do so) they're going to buy small ones. No matter how cheap fuel gets in the near future, the general public would buy cars with the thought that current low(er) prices are only temporary (and OPEC, with all its chest puffing, is only serving to cement that thought - who would buy a Suburban right now, with OPEC screaming that they want higher prices?). Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us.
That's not saying people will never revert to their old ways. It'll happen, but it won't happen tomorrow. It would take a good decade of cheap fuel before people became complacent again. Just like they did after previous fuel crises.
Title: political vent
Post by: EricCoolCats on October 28, 2008, 11:11:00 PM
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Let's be honest. This choice of president won't make much difference. They are both awful. The real problem is with Congress. It's never been this completely, ineptly run.
More to the point: it's not really the President alone who decides "everything" in Washington. It's Congress along with the Prez. While the presidential election is obviously very important, what most people are neglecting to realize that there are other important races for Senate this year, across the United States. It is entirely possible to tip the power of both houses of Congress to one side or the other (or split both), and that can either work for the new President, or against.
Back in 1991, when Clinton was running for President, one of his biggest platforms was with health care reform. He wanted to completely overhaul the system to make it more like socialized medicine that many other progressive countries have. Both Bill and Hillary followed up on their campaign promise of pursuing the issue...they did right away, in fact. They and Congress worked for well over a year but, in the end, nobody could agree upon a single plan and the idea had to get shelved. IIRC, the Senate had a Democratic majority but the House was Republican. This was a classic example of how things can get sidelined, depending upon the party affiliation, and which party has control of which part of Congress.
So in my eyes, the candidates can talk/promise all they want until they're blue in the face. Does it really matter? Yes and no. It can, but more often it doesn't mean much unless they have the full backing of both the Senate and the House to pass the bills and make those promises into reality. And that's why people should really be paying more attention to whom they elect to Congress.
However...it's painfully obvious to me that, above and beyond the power play and campaigning, the U.S. is so torn apart in so many places that we must first stop, get our acts together, and begin to heal OURSELVES first. Not only that, we must begin the process of mending our relationships with other nations, ones which are all but irreparably damaged at this point, thanks to the flaming ass monkey currently in office. I've listened to both sides, and both have valid points, with neither one really hitting it out of the park for me. But there is one that will make sure that we begin the process of healing immediately. And that's really the bottom line for me.
Title: political vent
Post by: Thunder Chicken on October 28, 2008, 11:21:53 PM
you and your avatar, Eric. Now I can't get "Bird is the word" out of my head. A pox on your firstborn, you ugly wart on a salamander's tongue! [/derail]
Title: political vent
Post by: turbo88 on October 28, 2008, 11:55:03 PM
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mccain asside, what would be the right reasons to vote for obama? my point on him ans his voters was that most of them dont have a ligit reason or even know why they are going to vote for him.
mccain is barely a republican, there is no real republican running in this race.
im sure we would have to agree that knowbody is going to vote or not vote on how old Bs mom was when she had him HOWEVER, if for any reason he isnt a lagit born in the usa american than that disqualifies him. end of discussion. i dont care if they found out he wasnt one day before the election. if thats the case he should be out. period.
+1
Title: political vent
Post by: stuntmannick on October 29, 2008, 03:26:53 AM
I'm really not sure if I should vote Bob Barr or write in mickey mouse at this point. RP would have had a decent chance if he would have run 3rd party.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on October 29, 2008, 08:19:09 AM
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And Demon, if they both have py platforms, at least pick the least py of the two, not the one who dug up more dirt on the other guy.
My point was that just because one person is targeting nonplatform issue of a candidate does not make that candidates platform a good one. I'm not the one nitpicking on birthplaces.....I for one could give a **** where either of them were born.
Truthfully I have issues with some things that BOTH of them have said and wish to implement. The person I wanted to see bowed out a while ago...
As far as picking the least py platform -- well therein lies the biggest problem. Yet another 4 years of settling.
Both speak of change Change? Change my ass!
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So in my eyes, the candidates can talk/promise all they want until they're blue in the face. Does it really matter? Yes and no. It can, but more often it doesn't mean much unless they have the full backing of both the Senate and the House to pass the bills and make those promises into reality. And that's why people should really be paying more attention to whom they elect to Congress.
Proof positive as to how something meant for good -- checks and balances -- is ruined by agenda.
Title: political vent
Post by: xjeffs on October 29, 2008, 08:50:06 AM
They should abolish the party system. Partisinship screws up the whole system.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on October 29, 2008, 09:34:19 AM
QUOTE] They should abolish the party system. Partisinship screws up the whole system. [/quote] well, a dictatorship would be "change", woudnt it?
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The person I wanted to see bowed out a while ago...
i was rooting for romney myself. only one that stood out, that had a chance as well.
in Ma it doesnt matter anyway. the lemmings always vote one way here.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on October 29, 2008, 02:31:28 PM
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the lemmings always vote one way here
Just like NY.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 01, 2008, 12:17:33 AM
Just an FYI with respect to the original post that started this thread:
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State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
HONOLULU – State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome fornicateino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
fornicateino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.
Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.
Title: political vent
Post by: softtouch on November 01, 2008, 12:42:38 AM
So if he was born after August 21,1959 when Hawaii became a state, he is legit.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 01, 2008, 11:18:27 AM
he still sucks though
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 01, 2008, 08:22:10 PM
Big tits & lollipops?
:rollin:
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 01, 2008, 08:49:17 PM
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So if he was born after August 21,1959 when Hawaii became a state, he is legit.
From what I understand his D.O.B. is 8/4/61
8/4.......WTF?
Why couldn't my daughter have her own day?! She already shares it with like 4 OTHER people that I know of...
Title: political vent
Post by: EricCoolCats on November 04, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
So how were the voting lines for everyone?
My township is small, so instead of waiting the usual 10 minutes, I had to wait 15. LONG lines there. :hick:
Title: political vent
Post by: Blackout on November 04, 2008, 12:48:11 PM
meh, 30 minute wait for me at 8AM in Wisconsin...not too bad
Title: political vent
Post by: Ether947 on November 04, 2008, 02:27:47 PM
about an hour for me @ 8am (quickest ever!). it was a pretty long line but it moved fairly swift. my wife got through in 30mins after 9am.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 04, 2008, 02:37:29 PM
im heading out here in a little while.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 04, 2008, 02:40:18 PM
I was surprised to find few people there when I went...must have been the right time (about 11:00). Went in signed in, guy walked out of a booth just as I finished writing. In and out deal. Totally shocked, I expected to wait a good half hr or so.
Title: political vent
Post by: Quietleaf on November 04, 2008, 04:43:43 PM
I got there maybe around 3:45PM after work. No line at all, in and out, bam, done.
I love my work hours on days like today.
I got my flu shot today too :D
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 04, 2008, 08:11:43 PM
well, i voted,, pointless vote but nonetheless a vote.
Lou dobbs
I waited and waited, hoping for something to click or a magic set of words someone would say that would be the clincher. Even as i headed out the door to vote with my virgin first time voter wife,,, she asked who i was voting for and I said I will know when i am at the booth.
I did experience a situation during talk radio the other day. The news castor was an early voter and he was complaining about how McCain was doing this and that. He then said those words i will not have to say "i regret voting for him now". I know in my heart there is something wrong here, not even a gut feeling of who's the better choice.
I even watched Obama's infomercial when i was over in IN going into it neutral with no predeterminations. I was totally sold on him and his plan. He executed the show flawlessly. The only problem is that i gather information and muddle through it and make my best decision based on the past habbits or situations both candidates are in now.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 12:34:08 AM
Wow, what a day in American history. We now have the opportunity to become a great & respected nation again.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 01:10:32 AM
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Wow, what a day in American history. We now have the opportunity to become a great & respected nation again.
LOL
some how i think alot of people are going to feel pretty ripped off in the upcoming months/years not unlike seeing a preview for what looks to be a great movie but ends up sucking and being super dissapointing.
i hope they dont get more "change" than they barganed for...
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 12:26:51 PM
I felt like I awoke from an 8 year long nightmare this morning.
Title: political vent
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on November 05, 2008, 12:36:57 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;241799
I felt like I awoke from an 8 year long nightmare this morning.
I felt the same when i got home from my py 3rd shift job. Sam Cooke said it the best its been a long time coming but change is gonna come.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
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I felt like I awoke from an 8 year long nightmare this morning.
well, he has got his chance. hope your right. ill eat my words if he is great or hell any better. it may be a change were in for, but i think its not going to be a good one...8 years of an idiot is no reson to throw it all away. honestly, i think we should be mourning. the majority spoke with an anti american voice. im not suprised at all about the results. its funny, all this talk about wanting change, as specially in Ma. and they vote against change. we could have dropped the income tax but apparently the majority here enjoy giving their money away to frivolous spenders. maybe they were just all high when the voted, cause at least now it wont be a criminal offense to have an ounce or under on you.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 12:56:05 PM
Cool, the pot thing passed? Finally some common sense when if comes to weed. People in Mass knew their property taxes would rise to compensate for the income tax and were afraid the towns would not be able to properly set the tax rates and so it would be unfair to some towns versus others.
I don't see how the reputation of the US could not possibly improve now. Having a man-child with emotional problems acting like a petulant bully due to his instability has been like a bad dream that I have had to wake up to for 8 straight years - like Groundhog Day - but in real life.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 02:24:11 PM
as far as obama goes, i really hope he does well. we really do need it. i also dont think anyone is going to argeue that its a huge relief getting rid of jr. good god.
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Cool, the pot thing passed? Finally some common sense when if comes to weed.
yep. not asmoker myself but i think its for the better overall.
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People in Mass knew their property taxes would rise to compensate for the income tax and were afraid the towns would not be able to properly set the tax rates and so it would be unfair to some towns versus others.
they wouldnt have to much if at all. the wastefull irresponsible overspending needs to stop. of the 78billion of taxpayers income tax 5 of it trickles down into the towns statewide.
a property tax imo would be better. at least your money stays in the local government and towns people can decide where money should be expidited.
call me crazy but im a supporter of smaller governmen.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 02:28:59 PM
I was hoping the no-income tax would pass myself, but my family in MA did not support it - I have to pay income tax in Mass and property tax in NH, each being quite large, so I get double screwed.
I don't smoke either, but my bro almost lost his kids & jailtime 'cause he likes to smoke a joint now and then (away from the kids of course). Common sense needs to rule as he simply doesn't enjoy drinking, which would be my choice.
Title: political vent
Post by: pegasus on November 05, 2008, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: 20th anny 5.o;241801
I felt the same when i got home from my py 3rd shift job. Sam Cooke said it the best its been a long time coming but change is gonna come.
BLAHAHAHA
look at the past 16 years what makes you thing there going to start telling the truth your funny
honstly I dont think obma is going to live out a full term b/c hes going to pull us out of Iraq and all of our work will have been for not and we will have a truck load of pissed off crazy marines coming back
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 04:05:33 PM
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I have to pay income tax in Mass and property tax in NH,
yep, that blows. i know several people that work in boston allong with me that reside in the great state of NH.
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I don't smoke either, but my bro almost lost his kids & jailtime 'cause he likes to smoke a joint now and then (away from the kids of course). Common sense needs to rule as he simply doesn't enjoy drinking, which would be my choice.
yeah. if anything at least it should generate money rather than cost tax payers money. de-crinimbuttstuffizing in favor of fines rather than expensive jail time, court time, law enforcers time etc....
Title: political vent
Post by: Ether947 on November 05, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
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Cool, the pot thing passed? Finally some common sense when if comes to weed.
Medical marijuana passed here too. Maybe if enough states jump on board, the feds will finally remove it from Schedule I. Otherwise it's still a federal offense. I don't use it (don't even smoke cigarettes) and I don't know anyone who does, but I still think it is outrageous to be a federal offense.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 05, 2008, 04:32:57 PM
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I don't smoke either, but my bro almost lost his kids & jailtime 'cause he likes to smoke a joint now and then (away from the kids of course). Common sense needs to rule as he simply doesn't enjoy drinking, which would be my choice.
Talking about common sense and tokin' it up in the same breath. I'm not even gonna bother here for there's no need....
Title: political vent
Post by: mcb82gt on November 05, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
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I felt like I awoke from an 8 year long nightmare this morning.
Im definately no G-dub fan, but one mans nightmare ending, is another mans begining.
As the zen master says ............. we shall see.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 06:45:04 PM
Well, here's a guide for those who want to be near people with "like" thinking:
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 05, 2008, 07:21:20 PM
Now all we wanna talk about is how cool it is now that you can have some pot on you.
no wonder people are g away thier early years only to look back and say "wow,, i was pretty high back then, time flew by""i better get some disability".
No wonder i can count all my friends on one had. there are too many destin to be the locust i speak of who drain us hard working people getting all giddy cause they can tok if they want. Yehaw,, like you have nothing else to do but get high.
I will not bow to this stupid majority poplulation of open minded goof balls who wanna throw it all away.
Title: political vent
Post by: pegasus on November 05, 2008, 07:48:48 PM
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Well, here's a guide for those who want to be near people with "like" thinking:
IM PROUD TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE RED COUNTYS IN OHIO!!
and my gf lives in the one to the nw
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 08:01:50 PM
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Now all we wanna talk about is how cool it is now that you can have some pot on you.
okay, well a side from the fact that everyone that mentioned it also said that they dont smoke makes me wonder where that came from.
personally, i think its going to free uplots of time, money and resorces that could be better used elseware. most people that use recreationally arent a danger to themselves or others. i think alcahol is much more dangerous but you have those who will have a wobbaly pop here and there as well as those who constantly drink and drive and binge all the time. its expensive to arrest and process someone that gets cought with a joint or 2. this way, they get a hundred dollar ticket, pot confisgated and sent on their way. no cory reckord. no court. no jail time. all of wich cost the taxpayer. alot of police officers will confisgate and send people on their way anyway. this way, it will at least generate money instead of costing it.
smoking isnt for me. ive never even tried cigs. its nasty. to each his own.
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Well, here's a guide for those who want to be near people with "like" thinking
well, i hope they get a real good taste of what its like to live in a backwards thinking democratic world. take it from me, one who lives in the most democratic state in the us...it sucks balls.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 05, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
back to the political part,, let em smoke all they want cause ill end up paying for it later by spreading the wealth when they are "holding out on thier check".
I have often wanted to express a personal belief of my own that sorts out my heart and who i am and now would be a good time. I hate racsism so much and i openly express this making many who thought i was in the click raise thier eyebrows wondering who the hell i really am. Im just a guy.
This guy feels in his heart that we well never get past this racial setback until we stop using the following self identifiers Hispanic - American Latinio - American Mexican - American African - American Polish - American and the list goes on.
As long as we continue to aknowledge and identify with this language, it only implies a difference when in the same breath most say we need to come together as one nation.
Its impossible to be one nation as Americans when there are so many people who still have the "need" to be identified differently.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 08:42:40 PM
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back to the political part,, let em smoke all they want cause ill end up paying for it later by spreading the wealth when they are "holding out on thier check".
it will happen sooner than later as your new socialist pres greatly wants to "re-distrubute" wealth. i actually heared a woman say ver batum, thank god for obama. now i dont have to worry about putting gas in my car or pay my mortgauge. we take care of him and he will take care of us.
read into that however you want. i know how i take it.
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This guy feels in his heart that we well never get past this racial setback until we stop using the following self identifiers
raceism will never dissapear. its ignorant. its stupid and its a shame but its also a fact. also, the term has been and will always be abused as we have seen as of late.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 05, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
lol,, yeah, that and a few other things like that are all over YouTube.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: shame302;241904
it will happen sooner than later as your new socialist pres greatly wants to "re-distrubute" wealth. i actually heared a woman say ver batum, thank god for obama. now i dont have to worry about putting gas in my car or pay my mortgauge. we take care of him and he will take care of us.
You don't actually believe that utter "commie scare" idiotic moronic rhetoric from the blinky old lying liar, McRage do you?
If so, you need to learn to think for yourself. I'm shocked that people just repeat what the jackasses in the campaign was feeding them without question. Socialist?? Removing the tax cut that Bush gave the rich is socialism??? What??? No wonder McRage got his sorry ass kicked up and down the street.
I'm middle class and I'm getting a tax cut. Any of the 95% of us who doesn't want the tax cut can send it back to the government!! Oh, and if you don't like it in Mass, move to Kentucky.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 05, 2008, 11:30:37 PM
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you don't actually believe that utter "commie scare" idiotic moronic rhetoric from the blinky old lying liar, McRage do you?If so, you need to learn to think for yourself.
And you belive everything Obama has said? No, in fact, i hadnt listened much of mccain. again, he was a terale canidate and in reality, never should have run as a republican. his policies and views beter align with a democrats. personally, i listen to alot of talk radio, Severin in particular because out of the majority of sources out there, i find myself agreeing with him much of the time. while he may be a little extreme, he makes sense.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 11:42:26 PM
OK, well if you listen to hate radio, then we have nothing to discuss. Enjoy your brainwashing.
Title: political vent
Post by: Quietleaf on November 05, 2008, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;241917
You don't actually believe that utter "commie scare" idiotic moronic rhetoric from the blinky old lying liar, McRage do you?
If so, you need to learn to think for yourself. I'm shocked that people just repeat what the jackasses in the campaign was feeding them without question. Socialist?? Removing the tax cut that Bush gave the rich is socialism??? What??? No wonder McRage got his sorry ass kicked up and down the street.
I'm middle class and I'm getting a tax cut. Any of the 95% of us who doesn't want the tax cut can send it back to the government!! Oh, and if you don't like it in Mass, move to Kentucky.
I sincerely hope you do get a tax cut. For once in my life I'd like to see a politician keep a promise. Do yourself a favor, though, pull out your 2007 1040 form and write down the number from the tax table you used. Then check it next year, and the year afterward. Make sure that you get your tax cut.
As for myself, perhaps I've gotten jaded with age, but put simply, I'll believe in this "tax cut" when I see it. I don't think our debt can bear it.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 05, 2008, 11:56:37 PM
Well, McCain was offering me $100 & Obama was offering me $1100. I'll take the $1100 personally. And I think Obama has a much better chance of getting his plan though as during a time of crisis it's much better to have unified goverment so you can get things done, in spite of the lame argument that we should have divided government (as McCain said once he realized he was going to lose).
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 06, 2008, 12:06:52 AM
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OK, well if you listen to hate radio, then we have nothing to discuss. Enjoy your brainwashing.
well, we know you enjoyed yours ;o)
nice blanket statement. i listen, i watch the news, read the garbage papers etc... to each his own i guess. ill be saying i told you so soon enough.
Title: political vent
Post by: Quietleaf on November 06, 2008, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;241927
Well, McCain was offering me $100 & Obama was offering me $1100. I'll take the $1100 personally. And I think Obama has a much better chance of getting his plan though as during a time of crisis it's much better to have unified goverment so you can get things done, in spite of the lame argument that we should have divided government (as McCain said once he realized he was going to lose).
There ya go. $1100 is your target. Write down your current taxes/tax-table number and be sure to check it. Speaking for myself, I didn't believe either one of them -- whenever a politician says to me, "I'll give you this", for some reason an image of the Brooklyn Bridge pops into my head. What can I say, I'm jaded. My attitude anymore is, "just leave me the 'eff alone. Just being a lawyer running for office is strike one, so kindly stay away from me, Mr. Candidate". At any rate, if a politician actually fulfilled a promise to me I'd be quite happy (amazed!!!), but if he didn't, I'd take it out of his a**...:beatyoass:
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 06, 2008, 12:14:46 AM
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Title: political vent
Post by: Quietleaf on November 06, 2008, 12:16:04 AM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;241927
Well, McCain was offering me $100 & Obama was offering me $1100. I'll take the $1100 personally. And I think Obama has a much better chance of getting his plan though as during a time of crisis it's much better to have unified goverment so you can get things done, in spite of the lame argument that we should have divided government (as McCain said once he realized he was going to lose).
There ya go. $1100 is your target. Write down your current taxes/tax-table number and be sure to check it. Speaking for myself, I didn't believe either one of them -- whenever a politician says to me, "I'll give you this", for some reason an image of the Brooklyn Bridge pops into my head. What can I say, I'm jaded. My attitude anymore is, "just leave me the 'eff alone. Just being a lawyer running for office is strike one, so kindly stay away from me, Mr. Candidate". At any rate, if a politician actually fulfilled a promise to me I'd be quite happy (amazed!!!), but if he didn't, I'd take it out of his a**...:beatyoass:
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 06, 2008, 12:24:58 AM
Personally, I don't need a tax cut - but I think we need it for those who make less than I do, where they are supposed to be targeted.
It will be nice to have an intelligent person in the WH again who doesn't act like a petulant child with substance dependency issues.
I'm watching the new South Park now - it's funny and should entertain those who are cynical at this time! It was all a big conspiracy!!
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 06, 2008, 12:37:23 AM
i suppose quietleaf summed up the angle of attack with a sharp number 2 penciel.
I was going to say,,"im gonna add this link to my favorites and then email it to myself set for future delivery one year from now, reminding me to ask you how your taxes are.
So the election is over and its been nice to let this troll as long as it has on the board. Overall, ive been moody more often than I like since may2005 and i am personally ready to flip the switch and play nice for a little while again.
lets see how long it lasts.:D
ITs been a good thread and we learned a lot about different things here and kept it civil. Its really nice knowing there are many people in here who share common thoughts and ideas on the various topics touched upon. At this point we all have no choice but to take the magic capet ride and see where it goes from here. As with each election, "we will see"
Im signing out , good day.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 06, 2008, 01:20:45 AM
i really do hope we will be in a better place a year from now (crosses fingers)
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 06, 2008, 06:23:19 AM
Quote from: ZondaC12;241850
Talking about common sense and tokin' it up in the same breath. I'm not even gonna bother here for there's no need....
Get your head out of your ass. Do you know anyone who drinks?
Watch 'The Union', then talk to me about common sense and why you've been trained to think Pot is the downfall of society. Fighting a war on pot sure is a big industry, with a lot of people making a shiznit-load of money. Fighting pot creates crime, and that's an irrefutable fact. I'm not talking about hard drugs, just pot. The near beer of illegal drugs.
And Jcassidy, you should watch it too. I know you're a conspiracy kind of guy, so it might be up your alley, since I know you hate being duped by policy makers. I'm a pot smoker, in case you didn't know, and I'll tell you I'm a fully functioning member of society, who works every day of his life and overpays his taxes every year, without fail. I've never been a drain on anyone, and I never plan to be. Believe it or not, there are grey areas in this world, and sometimes we're lied to by our governments about why we think and do certain things.
And if you think this is off topic, then you've never seen a political vent before. ;)
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 06, 2008, 08:47:36 AM
it has nothing to do with the natural herb, its got more to do with leadway. Its the "give and inch and some take a mile" that i know will happen.
In my opinion, a very huge percentage of people who do change become very focused and ,,how do i put it,,,smarter. The majority become a problem to others and thier work.
talk about ironic that BO's policy is for "change":D
Title: political vent
Post by: Jim_Miller on November 06, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
personally I think we should have all written in Ted Nugent!
The Miami Herald (http://"http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/12102927.htm") quotes Nugent on his potential platform: "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."
Get-R-Done!
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 06, 2008, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: oldraven;241946
Get your head out of your ass. Do you know anyone who drinks?
Watch 'The Union', then talk to me about common sense and why you've been trained to think Pot is the downfall of society. Fighting a war on pot sure is a big industry, with a lot of people making a shiznit-load of money. Fighting pot creates crime, and that's an irrefutable fact. I'm not talking about hard drugs, just pot. The near beer of illegal drugs.
And Jcassidy, you should watch it too. I know you're a conspiracy kind of guy, so it might be up your alley, since I know you hate being duped by policy makers. I'm a pot smoker, in case you didn't know, and I'll tell you I'm a fully functioning member of society, who works every day of his life and overpays his taxes every year, without fail. I've never been a drain on anyone, and I never plan to be. Believe it or not, there are grey areas in this world, and sometimes we're lied to by our governments about why we think and do certain things.
And if you think this is off topic, then you've never seen a political vent before. ;)
Just want to applaud you for your excellent post - the definition of "common sense" right here. Oh, and let's not get started on the "boogie men" that the government has created to "scare" us into certain positions on certain topics. It's documented and it would take 1000 posts just to make a dent in the propaganda that we have been fed over the past 8 years.
Title: political vent
Post by: ZondaC12 on November 06, 2008, 11:50:04 AM
I don't really care about money and its involvement with the war on drugs. For your information I DONT get my beliefs "spoon fed" to me by the goverment. I simply have no respect for stoners. That is the absolute epitome of stupidity. There are so many negatives associated with the type of people you usually find habitually using drugs. I'm surprised someone as intelligent as you oldraven, partites in this. I feel that nothing good comes of it and at least for ME, anyway, whether or not money is made off the war on drugs, if it helps in any way to keep up the stigma associated with drug use, GOOD. The day pot is legalized is the day I move WAYYY out into the middle of nowhere and avoid any even moderately populated area. Im not smelling that on a day to day basis and listening to people babble like zombies.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 06, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;241959
Just want to applaud you for your excellent post - the definition of "common sense" right here. Oh, and let's not get started on the "boogie men" that the government has created to "scare" us into certain positions on certain topics. It's documented and it would take 1000 posts just to make a dent in the propaganda that we have been fed over the past 8 years.
And the propaganda I'm talking about has been around since Nixon started it. There are a lot of anti-war activists standing on the doorstep, making a scene. They're not breaking the law, but we've got to get them off the streets, and away from the public ear. I know! A lot of them seem to be smoking marijuana. They want a War to protest, we'll give them one they can protest from behind bars.
Title: political vent
Post by: lakenheath24 on November 06, 2008, 01:56:02 PM
my fear is that the 2 party system is turning politics into a sport. Note the red and blue states, note the cheering for "we" won and "you" lost. in the end we ALL live within the same borders. George Washington as stated in his farewell address, spoke of the dangers of the 2 party system. http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/farewell/text.html
As far as the Socialism scaremongering goes, how do you think we got ourselves out of the depression? Roosevelt and Wilson were accused of being socialist because of the TVA and other programs to include SOCIAL security...so whatcha gonna do? I didnt vote for him but I am an American before I am anything and will give him a chance.
Title: political vent
Post by: Innes on November 07, 2008, 11:37:16 AM
Me personally would of liked Huckabee but I think the right choice for America was McCann he was middle the road that’s the balance we needed there’s a reason him and Liberman got along well. People wanted change so john McCann should have been there choice but more than ½ Americas fell for the say anything socialistic lies from Obama. There is no way he could back what he said. The United States just elected a far left socialist. God bless us I hope he wakes up and smells the coffee quick and he changes. With history repeating itself here a bit pres Clinton came to office w/ simpler issues and he shelved a lot of his ideas right away not making him very popular. And 2 years later a majority republican congress lasted his remaining 6 years w/balance nice and that how most remember him. That’s what I hope for Obama but only its 4 years.
Sorry but I haven’t been on in a while and heres my small political vent.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 07, 2008, 12:10:18 PM
Another one that believes everything they hear from their lying candidate and can't even spell their own candidate's name.
Unbelievable and sad for our nation's future :(
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 07, 2008, 12:16:46 PM
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Another one that believes everything they hear from their lying candidate and can't even spell their own candidate's name.
Unbelievable and sad for our nation's future
akay, grammar asside, cause im probably the worst offender, one could be said for obama supporters. again, large numbers of them had 2 reasons to vote for him. one was his meaningless catch phrase and the other...
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I think the right choice for America was McCann he was middle the road that’s the balance we needed there’s a reason him and Liberman got along well.
i think the only republican view mccain had was that he was "pro gun". other than that the democrats can have him. thats why he got along with him. he was aligned with them in most of his political views.the republicans went un represented in this race. honestly, its probably better he lost. who ever got elected will be scrutinized by the people. if things dont turn around somewhat rapidly, hes on the hook. although its purely democratic to have no accountability for anthing. anyway, if its going to fail the next few years regardless, id rather it be on there watch. i know bush sucked, but its not because he was a republican. its because he was a clown.
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more than ½ Americas fell for the say anything socialistic lies from Obama
That reminds me. the popular vote was a mear 52%. i love how everyone is convinced that it was a landslide election. the electoral voes were a landslide, but cosider that those votes are generally influanced by many things that likely dont have to do with who should actually be president. were talking politicians here.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 07, 2008, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: shame302;242054
its purely democratic to have no accountability for anthing...
OK, that's the purest form of ignorance I've even seen in my life.
Name ONE FAILURE (oh, and there were many of them) that the REPUBLICAN whining s took responsibility for in the past 8 years!!!
CLASSIC FAIL!!
It's why your whiners are out of office now - you COULDN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!
Take your head out of your ass!!!
Nevermind, you get your news from right-wing hate radio - no wonder you don't have any idea why your party was unceremoniously kicked out on their useless asses.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 07, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
Im unaffiliated but thanks, id have voted for obama if he made sense to me.
and who do you listen to chris mathews?
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 07, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
I think for myself.
Title: political vent
Post by: softtouch on November 07, 2008, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: shame302;242054
That reminds me. the popular vote was a mear 52%. i love how everyone is convinced that it was a landslide election. the electoral voes were a landslide, but cosider that those votes are generally influanced by many things that likely dont have to do with who should actually be president. were talking politicians here.
The presidential election is actually 50 elections, one in each state.
In 48 states the winner of the state wide popular vote gets all the states electoral votes. A states electoral votes equals its number of members in the congress. Maine and Nebraska have a district system of selecting electors. Two electors are selected by the state wide popular vote and the rest by the winners in the individual congressional districts.
Maine has four electors, so two are selected by congressional district. Nebraska has five electors, three selected by congressional district.
In some states the electors names are listed on the ballot and in some states they are not.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 07, 2008, 02:01:31 PM
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I think for myself.
So do i but touche none the less.
i just happen to look at several different resorces. unless you personally know the candidates, you have to take info from wherever you can. nobody reports political news anymore. most of the papers out there use the whole thing as an edetorial and everybody is biast dont ya think?. hate radio? please. its all relative....
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 07, 2008, 02:03:33 PM
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The presidential election is actually 50 elections, one in each state.
In 48 states the winner of the state wide popular vote gets all the states electoral votes. QUOTE]
thank you for re-inforcing my statement there...
Title: political vent
Post by: lakenheath24 on November 07, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
if ANYONE thinks there a bit of difference between Republocons and Demicrooks then you you should put down your crackpipe, turn off your TV and quit drinking the MSM kool-aid. Just google amero
check this out. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
you believe in the patriot act huh, well lok what Onstar can do http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-5109435.html
Amerika the enslaved.:mad:
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 07, 2008, 02:26:19 PM
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you believe in the patriot act huh, well look what Onstar can do
Yet another reason not to own a GM :p
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 07, 2008, 04:06:53 PM
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you believe in the patriot act huh
where did that come from?
Title: political vent
Post by: Blackout on November 07, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 07, 2008, 05:40:35 PM
Buying some shares would be a gamble....even at those prices...
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 07, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
Quote from: Cougar5.0;242056
OK, that's the purest form of ignorance I've even seen in my life.
Name ONE FAILURE (oh, and there were many of them) that the REPUBLICAN whining s took responsibility for in the past 8 years!!!
CLASSIC FAIL!!
It's why your whiners are out of office now - you COULDN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!
Take your head out of your ass!!!
Nevermind, you get your news from right-wing hate radio - no wonder you don't have any idea why your party was unceremoniously kicked out on their useless asses.
have'nt you noticed your the only one tarnishing this thread. Your getting all worked up because you cant groom everyone into your corner. Stop pushing your USSA, and chill out a little bit. Your the only one cussing people out ,,, feel stupid now?, you should.
although you are not stupid, just pro USSA:D :flip:
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 07, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
Define USSA!
(Edit: nevermind - I get it - bad joke myfriend, baaaaad joke! :rollin: )
...and no, I don't feel bad about correcting propaganda that I'm sure those who would repeat it are not actually kidding (believe it or not).
Second edit: I've been posting on car forums since 2000. I have posted many thousands of posts and started many hundreds of threads. Not once (that I can recall) have I ever started a political thread. Don't start what you can't finish bro - there is a good reason that I don't start threads on political topics.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 12:10:16 AM
...oh, and don't try to make me feel bad for being pissed after the past 8 years. Perhaps if you had some redneck call you a "terrorist", "one of them" and "Osama Bin Laden" at the local bar due to the ridiculous fear that Bushco was drumming up in this country toward anybody who even remotely looks middle eastern, you might be a little ticked off too. I wanted to say "shut up you immigrant Irish " and kick his ass, but I bit my tongue. We have been in this country since 1700. My family name is that of a General who fought in the Revolutionary War. Why? Because he is my relative. The next mother****er that questions my patriotism may not be so lucky as that johnny-come-lately Irish immigrant that may have only been in this country for a 100 years or less. I'm tired of hateriotism and those who have promoted this (right-wing hate radio), so this is not a game for me.
Title: political vent
Post by: Prototype Services on November 08, 2008, 12:35:21 AM
Lighten up, Francis....
This has been a good read so far. Obviously lots of opinions and feelings. Emotions run high on both sides of the political "line-in-the-sand". At this point it doesn't matter who voted for whom. There will be a new POTUS in January. What happens after that, we shall see.
Title: This has been an interesting read for sure
Post by: t3skidoo on November 08, 2008, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Prototype Services;242137
Lighten up, Francis....
Uh no. Cougar5.0 has been spot on through this, and he doesn't even live anywhere close to deepest darkest 'red' America. One side opened this can of worms, and now that they 'lost' the election we should all be civil?:rollin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g
If you're not pissed off about the last 8 years, you haven't been paying attention.
Title: political vent
Post by: nirvanagod on November 08, 2008, 01:49:48 AM
Seriously this has been the only worth while post in the whole thread.
Quote from: xjeffs;240848
They should abolish the party system. Partisinship screws up the whole system.
Everything else is making me sick from my brain spinning inside my skull. First off, I'm tired of hearing the following: Obama is a terrorist. Obama is a muslim. Obama is a arab. Obama is a socialist. Obama is gunna take my guns. Obama has no experience. (who the hell does when the first start out in the oval office anyway, that's why they have 900 freakin' advisors... to "advise" them on what to do and how to do it)
Secondly who here can accurately define "socialist" or even "socialism". And please do this without the help of wikipedia. Websters or encyclopedia Britannica are acceptable sources. And while your at it, please give me an explicit detailed reason on exactly why socialism is so bad.
Now that being said, who can tell me what these types of things can be considered:
Welfare Social Security WIC (women infants children) Section 8 The Wall Street/Mortgage bailout plan Medicare Medicaid Disability HUD Loans (fannie mae/freddie mac) Public Schools The New Deal (going back in the day, but think public works projects) Fafsa (college loans/tuition payment)
I could go on but that should make the point.
Needless to say, we are not exactly a true democracy. I would even hazard to say that we never were. I'd like to think that we are more like Democratic Socialists. We are democratic in the light that we elect people that we feel would be best capable of making the best decisions for us, but that where it ends. I feel that in a true democracy nothing would ever be accomplished due to the fact that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. And as a result of this no one would ever be able to agree on anything, and things would simply degrade into chaos.
Now that rant aside and for the sake of the person who complained about getting only one reason about voting for Obama, let me give you an explanation you may not yet have heard. In looking at the candidates I went with the person who was younger, the person who hadn't been in politics for so long that he had lobbyists shoved so far up his rear that maybe he could actually deliver on some of his promises. I also gauged which person who I felt had made the best choices through out his campaign despite making mistakes. Ultimately it could have gone either way with me, I actually was considering McCain when the primary's started, because honestly, Hillary scared me... that and the fact that she wasn't Bill, which many people thought she was.
Anyway I think what everything boils down to is that you are always voting for either a giant douche or a turd sandwich. If you didn't vote... don't complain period. If you did vote and your guy didn't win, wait 4 years and if the other guy sucked big vote him out. And, if your guy did win don't rub it in the face of the other party. And for all parties involved, support your president, at least on a human level, and always be critical of them.
Title: political vent
Post by: Innes on November 08, 2008, 10:28:45 AM
Sorry for misspelling McCain name cougar50 this might be morning for you all but it’s the end of the day for me, up for 20 hrs w little sleep that’s my life and I have a friend McCann. Enough with that excuses and on I go my definition of socialism. Yes government dose need to assist somewhat but not to the extent to what he said. Socialism is a step towards communism. I’m not rich I’m a civil servant and my wife works. I consider ourselves middle class and I don’t want a piece from no one else’s pie. Obama actually stated the upper 6% of Americans make more than 97,000. People earn what they work for period. yea I know I missed some things.
Nirvanagod stated” Obama is a terrorist. Yes this is a problem
Obama is a muslim. Not a problem neither is his color though you didnt ask
Obama is a arab. Did not no he was a arab
Obama is a socialist. Yes already stated
Obama is gunna take my guns. Yes he can try and take them from my cold dead Hands
Obama has no experience. I can get over that
I didn’t Liston to his speech yesterday but I herd about the highlights it sound like he’s back peddling on his ideas now hopefully he starts shelving them.
good night
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 08, 2008, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: nirvanagod;242145
please give me an explicit detailed reason on exactly why socialism is so bad. .
wow, ive always been curious how many out there think its good. I can only use the characteristics of other social nations such as the former ussr and china just to point a couple.
basically, everyone is kept on the same level of income and or limits of opportunity no matter how hard you work. This is achived by gov't intervention on free will and capitalism which built our nation and fueled the very reason we decided to leave england.
the reason why people like me get upset is because we know that mental conditioning is always at work. The more you bring up a technique or policy type that is conflicting, the more it becomes acceptable to discuss and debate,,,and thus the more reasonable some sound as they argue said topics. As a result, people like me feel some need inside us to nip it in the bud each and every time it gets brought up because we know our original values have not been tainted with this mental conditioning.
Mental conditioning has worked for many topics that have become policy , thank god for the riots in the 60's which gave many american folks thier opportunity to feel proud of being black. Notice i said "american folks" and not african american.
**also not that i said "thank god for the riots"<<<< formerly bashed by a few here who seem to think that rioters are worthless.
BO is the man now, I'll respect that and protect my president as always because it is a value that i must keep consistent. I will decide if i disagree when he starts to make policy. Until then, all the discussion is a mood point. I lost becaue Lou Dobbs didnt run,,lol,, but he got my vote.
Im not sure how to classify myself into a political group. I am pretty sure i am independant although i share more ground with the blue vs the red., both of which I could not fit into based on self examination of values.
Those like myself today are an odd group who listen to all forms of talk radio, cnn and fox, read the papers and never forget which policy was the root cause of todays problems. I would say those like myself are informed to say the least. A true example of my being informed is the fact that much of our nations economic problems root back to nafta. IT all smelled like roses back then, now...... It smells of HB1 visa's arriving at local plants or software companies where the US employees are mandated to train the HB1 visa holders to do thier job with a deadline of thier termination. This happened just last week with a major software / IT company in the north east. You guys up there need to speak up,,,,,,,cause us "REDNECKS REALLY DO GET IT" like it or not.
The impression i get is nafta / cafta or whatever is out of control.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: t3skidoo;242141
Uh no. Cougar5.0 has been spot on through this, and he doesn't even live anywhere close to deepest darkest 'red' America. One side opened this can of worms, and now that they 'lost' the election we should all be civil?:rollin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g
If you're not pissed off about the last 8 years, you haven't been paying attention.
Thank you. I bought that album in support and it's quite good even though I'm not generally a country music fan. We know the political leanings of the "lighten up" fellow and I am not surprised.
Oh, and the correct answer to those confused - Obama is a hardcore capitalist.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 08, 2008, 11:10:11 AM
Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 08, 2008, 11:47:45 AM
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Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one?
Because that's how it generally starts if left unchecked.... Beware the cult of personality....
Anyway -- what's done is done.
Let Our President Elect do what he can in conjunction with the Senate, the House and the Supreme Court.
I hope good comes from the next 4 years.
Title: political vent
Post by: 20th anny 5.o on November 08, 2008, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: pegasus;241829
BLAHAHAHA
look at the past 16 years what makes you thing there going to start telling the truth your funny
honstly I dont think obma is going to live out a full term b/c hes going to pull us out of Iraq and all of our work will have been for not and we will have a truck load of pissed off crazy marines coming back
When did i ever say that anyone was gonna tell the truth? We must have a McCain supporter here. Nobody in office is going to tell the whole truth I am far from a lap dog for any political party they are all full of bs. I voted for Obama because we have no reason to be in Iraq in the first place, so all those "Pissed marines" you speak of should be getting pulled here soon so they can quit fighting a war for oil, i am pretty sure they will be happy to see their family's again.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
Quote from: oldraven;242173
Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.
For the same reason that many on the left argued that we had to be on the watch for fascism with Bush ceding so much power to the corporations (how did that work out?). It's the balance between the two that works the best.
I'll lend you money if you're down and out, but you have to pay it back. Oh, and you must take this training course & follow these new rules so you don't make that mistake again. We're only as helpful as we need to be to keep the masses happy, and we're free-wheeling enough to allow the motivated (and the greedy) to be innovative (and the greedy to possibly steal the country's wealth).
Title: political vent
Post by: nirvanagod on November 08, 2008, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Innes;242167
Socialism is a step towards communism.
Yeah, not even going to try touching that
Quote from: Innes;242167
Nirvanagod stated” Obama is a terrorist. Yes this is a problem
So give us substantiated proof. Whether it was aiding in or directly doing so himself. Provide valid sources if you'd like.
Quote from: Innes;242167
Obama is a muslim. Not a problem neither is his color though you didnt ask
Not a problem because it was false speculation. Also our country proved that race was not an issue, hence the lack of need to bring it up.
Quote from: Innes;242167
Obama is a arab. Did not no he was a arab
Perhaps no one here did, but how about that little old lady at one of McCain's rallies. A moment that I feel that made McCain realize that he had created a monster that had gotten completely out of hand.
Quote from: Innes;242167
Obama is a socialist. Yes already stated
Again, not even touching it, Seeing as my "Tired of hearing" prefix seems to not have come across.
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Obama is gunna take my guns. Yes he can try and take them from my cold dead Hands
An amendment provided by some of our founding fathers that will likely never be changed, ever. Though it is funny to see how threats beget threats.
Quote from: Innes;242167
Obama has no experience. I can get over that
So one agreement out of many.
Quote from: oldraven;242173
Why do so many people assume that other people wanting some Socialist policies are trying to switch from a Democratic Capitalist society to a Communist Socialist one? It doesn't have to be one or the other. Like Nirvanagod just pointed out, some of our best policies and programmes, in both countries, are the ones borrowed from Socialism.
Quote from: V8Demon;242177
Because that's how it generally starts if left unchecked....
This is effectively my point. Socialism can go both ways, it's all about intent of use. Much like every thought and idea present in today's world, it's the end game that matters. Want to make a positive change in the world, then the outcome will more than likely be positive. Want to do something negative or gain excessive power then the outcome is negative. I truly feel that our nation runs on more than just a democracy. We have done very well in finding positive ideas across all political styles and integrating them into our overall system. Yes there are negatives, and those need to be worked out or removed. But I think that to believe that we are simply a democracy defeats an idea of what this country founded on, to be a "melting pot".
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
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An amendment provided by some of our founding fathers that will likely never be changed, ever. Though it is funny to see how threats beget threats.
and it recently was in front of congeress for "interpretation" , and was barely defended/ motion defeated. thats scarry to me but maybe were all just parranoid right?
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 01:56:19 PM
On the guns; a poll was done on one of the most Democratic sites on the internet and fully 60% of all liberal Dems now own guns. If you consider that many more Dems live in congested urban areas where you can't even enjoy target practice or hunting, that's a pretty stunning number. Not only that, but after Bush was elected the 2nd time, many started arming up as it felt like "Big Brother" was going to start pulling people out of their homes for internment camps at any moment. I learned more about which pistol was the best overall compromise (size, stoppping power, action, reliability etc.) from this site than anywhere else since the issue was discussed intelligently without all the fake bravado that plagues the more right-leaning discussions. You'd have just as much or more push-back from Dems if you tried to tighten gun laws - trust me on this.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
then it should have never been up for question and certainly shouldnt have been a 5-4(i believe, close to 50/50) vote.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 08, 2008, 03:14:31 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;242177
Because that's how it generally starts if left unchecked.... Beware the cult of personality....
Anyway -- what's done is done.
Let Our President Elect do what he can in conjunction with the Senate, the House and the Supreme Court.
I hope good comes from the next 4 years.
Well that solves the problem then. Just keep it in check, like we do in Canada, and many other Democratic Capitalist nations around the world do when they adopt Socialist policies. Crisis avoided. ;)
Naming the USSR and China as the only Socialist examples is a case of ignorance. Socialism is a very broad concept, and can have, (and typically has), a place in any type of society.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
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Well that solves the problem then. Just keep it in check, like we do in Canada, and many other Democratic Capitalist nations around the world do when they adopt Socialist policies. Crisis avoided. ;)
Naming the USSR and China as the only Socialist examples is a case of ignorance. Socialism is a very broad concept, and can have, (and typically has), a place in any type of society.
not if you like your freedom, and idealoglies our founders fought for. i personally have a problem with g on the constitution, bill of rights and amendments.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 03:42:28 PM
Bush had no problem taking rights away and ping on the Constitution.
Hypocrites make me belly laugh! :rollin:
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 08, 2008, 03:46:26 PM
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I learned more about which pistol was the best overall compromise (size, stoppping power, action, reliability etc.) from this site than anywhere else since the issue was discussed intelligently without all the fake bravado that plagues the more right-leaning discussions
I dig my Glock :hick:
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Well that solves the problem then. Just keep it in check
I think one of the fears is that it may not be kept in check with the Democratic majority in the house and the Senate...
Meh....speculation at this point.
Someone said they were far more interested in the local stuff concerning them and that it has more impact on the life of the individual citizen and more immediately. I tend to agree with that. State and Federal governments lay down the guidelines while local governments fine tune it for that specific set of scenarios and environments -- in the realm of domestic policy, anyway.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 04:18:30 PM
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 04:35:23 PM
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Bush had no problem taking rights away and ping on the Constitution.
Hypocrites make me belly laugh! :rollin:
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LOL, you think he was just wait and see what your self ritious, d bag masiah Obama is going to do to it. again, ill be saying i told you so.
no hipocracy here, i never supported bush. he was a joke. heck, untill a few years ago wasnt concerned with politics at all. politicians arae generally liars and scumbags. thats part of why i believe in smaller and more locallised government.
bottom line here, everyone here is going to have their own opinion and on a personal level, im not going to think less of anybody for it. the whole current system sucks and were all in the same big pile here reguardless. i dont see it getting better because of him or his cabinet. unless obama makes some meracles happen im never going to buy into him. i am not comfortable with him on any level weather it be his political policies or his so called beliefs. i do belive you are who you associate yourself with and he has some real scumbags close to him. i belive he has his own agenda and can not be trusted. maybe in naieve. i think its his followers that are naieve. he is going to be our next presidant and so be it.
mission accomplished, the ultimate quintessential affermative action hire.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 08, 2008, 04:42:39 PM
Why does a Socialist policy have to piss on your constitution? You're just showing us over and over that you have no idea what Socialism really is, and that you're just repeating what you've heard from other people that don't understand Socialism. Seriously, your country is riddled with Socialism as it is, you just choose not to see this.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: shame302;242204
...mission accomplished, the ultimate quintessential affermative action hire.
...and this, my friend, is why your opinion has no weight with me.
Oh, and on the socialist meme - this from McCain's own campaign chief strategist - Steve Schmidt:
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McCain Campaign Autopsy by Ana Marie pen 15s
Chief strategist Steve Schmidt talks about the moment—back in September—when he knew McCain was doomed. Plus, his surprising view on gay marriage, and more scoop on leaks. ...
Looking forward, Schmidt sees the need for a wholesale reinvention of the party: “The party in the Northeast is all but extinct; the party on the West Coast is all but extinct...there has to be a message and a vision that is compelling to people in order for them to come back and to give consideration to the Republican Party again.”
Toward the end of this election cycle, it seemed to many that Schmidt and the McCain campaign were reverting to themes that seemed almost antique: red-baiting taunts of “socialism,” as well as appeals to the “real America.” But today, Schmidt rejected those tactics as blueprints for the future: “The Republican Party wants to, needs to, be able to represent, you know, not only conservatives, but centrists as well. And the party that controls the center is the party that controls the American electorate.”
...
Even the Republican leadership is smarter than it's followers.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 05:25:59 PM
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Why does a Socialist policy have to piss on your constitution? You're just showing us over and over that you have no idea what Socialism really is, and that you're just repeating what you've heard from other people that don't understand Socialism. Seriously, your country is riddled with Socialism as it is
LOL...this perhaps being so, doesnt make it right. nowhere did i say it hadnt existed. i belive we will now have the most socialist, marxist prez to date, 2nd to none.
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McCain Campaign Autopsy by Ana Marie pen 15s
Chief strategist Steve Schmidt talks about the moment—back in September—when he knew McCain was doomed. Plus, his surprising view on gay marriage, and more scoop on leaks. ...
Looking forward, Schmidt sees the need for a wholesale reinvention of the party: “The party in the Northeast is all but extinct; the party on the West Coast is all but extinct...there has to be a message and a vision that is compelling to people in order for them to come back and to give consideration to the Republican Party again.”
Toward the end of this election cycle, it seemed to many that Schmidt and the McCain campaign were reverting to themes that seemed almost antique: red-baiting taunts of “socialism,” as well as appeals to the “real America.” But today, Schmidt rejected those tactics as blueprints for the future: “The Republican Party wants to, needs to, be able to represent, you know, not only conservatives, but centrists as well. And the party that controls the center is the party that controls the American electorate.”
has nothing to do with obama and much more on how damaged the party was by our current president. your source?
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 05:48:44 PM
alright, put it this way. are you telling me that you deny that obama is a socialist, or are you telling me that socialism is okay and i shouldnt worry about it?
so far the only reason you mentioned you were for him was because he was going to give you 1100 bucks.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 05:55:41 PM
Anybody who thinks Obama is a socialist has there head up their ass or is somehow messing with us just to start trouble. Nobody with an ounce of common sense believes that - not even McCain's people as I have shown.
Any questions?
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 08, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
I have this one: http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/nfdetails.asp?ID=697
Best of all is it accepts the 13 round magazines as well.
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“The party in the Northeast is all but extinct; the party on the West Coast is all but extinct...there has to be a message and a vision that is compelling to people in order for them to come back and to give consideration to the Republican Party again.”
Not for nothing, but he's saying something we all already know....
The way things are going, the Republican party will be a non-competitor in 30 years.....Look at the beating it's taken in the past 20....
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
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Anybody who thinks Obama is a socialist has there head up their ass or is somehow messing with us just to start trouble. Nobody with an ounce of common sense believes that - not even McCain's people as I have shown.
i dissagree. i guess we need to leave it there. all thats left is name calling. i think your just as foolish as you think i am on this subject. Anybody who doesnt think Obama is a socialist has there head up their ass.
i hope you get your 1100, and i hope it was worth it.
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The way things are going, the Republican party will be a non-competitor in 30 years.....Look at the beating it's taken in the past 20....
one reason republicans are probably better off mccain lost.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 08, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
When Republicans cut taxes, it's called economic stimulous. When Democrats cut taxes, it's called socialism and "a giveaway". Let me grab my head quickly before it spins completely off. :hick:
V8:
Oh, I didn't say I got the 23, it's just a nice simulation to view - loved it.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 06:56:30 PM
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When Democrats cut taxes
LOL
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 08, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
Quote from: V8Demon;242177
Because that's how it generally starts [COLOR="Red"]if left unchecked....[/COLOR] Beware the cult of personality....
Anyway -- what's done is done.
Let Our President Elect do what he can in conjunction with the Senate, the House and the Supreme Court.
I hope good comes from the next 4 years.
dead on target, exactly my last posts point.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 08, 2008, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: shame302;242190
and it recently was in front of congeress for "interpretation" , and was barely defended/ motion defeated. thats scarry to me but maybe were all just parranoid right?
I have not forgotten that,, spooky. Oddly enough, afterward guns were made legal in DC.
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 08, 2008, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: shame302;242193
then it should have never been up for question and certainly shouldnt have been a 5-4(i believe, close to 50/50) vote.
this should tell you all the more certain that a crew of a small few in DC think up , then they decide to vote on it without any of the peoples input. You see,, if you dont get your way by consulting with the people, you just go ahead and do it without thier concent. You will at some time in the future loose a right without your concent,, thats how policy becomes reality.
does anyone remember the 850 billion dollar bail out package? lol
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 08, 2008, 09:58:36 PM
Quote from: oldraven;242196
Naming the USSR and China as the only Socialist examples is a case of ignorance. Socialism is a very broad concept, and can have, (and typically has), a place in any type of society.
See, this is why I keep my eye's open for people like you. You twist what i said into what you want people to think just to real them into your corner,,, so be the way of the mental conditioning gang bangers:D
What I said was (word for word),,,,,,,,,,,"such as the former ussr and china just to point a couple."
You decide to twist this into something you thought would be nice to tinker with and get it burried in so deep I would not notice. What you did not count on nor did you understand before by my saying I stay informed with the details,,,,, is that I caught this touche' of yours. The touch' is voted as "fail" which stems from my refering to your reference to "rioters" and how I proved that some riots did bring positive change.
LOL,, gotta get up a lil bit earlier or put down the pipe to get past me,,lol.
good dig but no go,, try again.,, and no I am not ignorant. I just dont spell very good.
consider this nipping it in the bud, get your game on better than that;) no offense taken.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 08, 2008, 11:51:23 PM
funny that...apparently im not the only "paranoid" one...
Title: political vent
Post by: jcassity on November 09, 2008, 12:06:27 AM
arent most .22cal all simi auto,,lol. THose have never been banned cause they dont make mommies scared.
Title: political vent
Post by: oldraven on November 09, 2008, 09:18:50 AM
Quote from: jcassity;242247
See, this is why I keep my eye's open for people like you. You twist what i said into what you want people to think just to real them into your corner,,, so be the way of the mental conditioning gang bangers:D
What I said was (word for word),,,,,,,,,,,"such as the former ussr and china just to point a couple."
You decide to twist this into something you thought would be nice to tinker with and get it burried in so deep I would not notice. What you did not count on nor did you understand before by my saying I stay informed with the details,,,,, is that I caught this touche' of yours. The touch' is voted as "fail" which stems from my refering to your reference to "rioters" and how I proved that some riots did bring positive change.
LOL,, gotta get up a lil bit earlier or put down the pipe to get past me,,lol.
good dig but no go,, try again.,, and no I am not ignorant. I just dont spell very good.
consider this nipping it in the bud, get your game on better than that;) no offense taken.
Well, forgive me for taking offence then, because you're making some comments now that are getting a big personal.
Besides, you're the one who chose to use the two extremes of militant Communist nations for your example, and came up with the USSA acronym. How about Sweden's Socialist Democracy, or Canada's universal health care? Two examples of Socialism that aren't quite so extreme, and don't strike fear into the hearts of nervous voters. How's that foot tasting, because you're doing the exact 'mental conditioning' you're accusing me of. I'm defending an idea of MILD socialistic policies in specific areas of government. You're the one turning that around to make it sound like we're all out to become the new China. You're using fear tactics, man.
Title: political vent
Post by: V8Demon on November 09, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: shame302;242267
funny that...apparently im not the only "paranoid" one...
Perhaps they could have picked a person who looked a bit less crazed than the one girl in the photo. Wonder if the photographer was anti-gun?
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 09, 2008, 10:21:04 AM
Now who's paranoid? :rollin:
Title: political vent
Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 11:01:16 AM
Yes Yes Yes the RAnt! Gotta Love it, we have a place where even though we all brought together by one thing our love of 83-88 birds/cougars. We have a Thread about politics. I was just thinking that I love this place and hate to come in this thread and see that it has got a lot of that just rubs me the wrong way. Yes I know this from me! Why? Why? Why? must we subject ourselves to this. There is no way around it Politics today plain and simple SUCK b-hole. Does it really matter who won? Is there really much difference between the two if we were to get all right down to it. To me I see to men that want what they are paid to want or what is best for there pocket. Neither of them in my eyes wants anything for the people unless it has a pay off for them. Why would they want to take away our rights to make it easier for them to lay the Smack down so to speak. You all just watch things are gonna get crazy in the next few years. It doesn't matter witch one got in there they both are gonna move us in the wrong direction. The direction of Greed and power. What ever happened to for the PEOPLE! not for the people as long as it helps me get re-elected or lines my pockets! Oh I know they got that out of our system back in the day when they took out that one president on live TV in front of 3/4 of the nation. So since then we have had very few presidents that have had that FOR THE PEOPLE mind set. I know as soon as I post this you all are gonna rip into me. Oh well since we are in this thread and it must be said there I said it. Call me whatever you like. Just remember this if it was about the people would things be the way they are today? I don't think so. But I'm sure a lot of you all will tell how it would be so much worse.
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 09, 2008, 11:08:57 AM
Nice rant!
No objections here :D
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 09, 2008, 12:51:56 PM
ditto, that goes for both sides and politicians in general.
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Is there really much difference between the two if we were to get all right down to it.
I think there is, Obama takes it to another level and i belive he has a different agenda than any other president we have had to date. I dont trust him and im not comfortable with him.
so, again, im not "for" anyone but im very, very leary of this guy. anyone else spitting along about whats wrong with the other party, how much mccain sucks etc. is barking up the wrong tree here. If anything, mccain would have been less damaging than obama.
Title: political vent
Post by: Innes on November 09, 2008, 09:40:52 PM
Your right this is a car forum, this is just a current event. Ill also ad I have nothing personal with anyone here because what we all have in common is our fox cars that’s what where really here for but its good to here what everyone else thinks across the country. I was one of the few McCain votes in the NY area. An overwhelming majority voted for Obama here so I’m kind of a misfit around here Especially works in NYC.
OH and anyone mention the fact that pres elect Obama is the ANTI-CHRIST
[SIZE="1"]got to stir the stet alittle more[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]and leave[/SIZE]
Title: political vent
Post by: Innes on November 09, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
So when are we going to open up a gun discussion room on the board A little NRA blog. lol
leaving again
Title: political vent
Post by: ipsd on November 09, 2008, 10:13:14 PM
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So when are we going to open up a gun discussion room on the board A little NRA blog. lol leaving again
Yeah right are you Nuckin Futz! With all the attitudes around here we would all be shot! But don't think for an instance that if in theres a gun fight that I won't just jump right in and start blastin! LOL Oh yeah gotta own a gun for that. Not to worry on my to do list ASAP!
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 09, 2008, 10:41:16 PM
Title: political vent
Post by: ipsd on November 10, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
No thanks I'll have a steak burger or even a buffalo burger but I tend to stay away from things that taste like ASS! But I know many people who need to a Donkey Burger Why just cause things are like that at times.
Title: political vent
Post by: shame302 on November 10, 2008, 12:43:37 AM
uh huh....
Title: political vent
Post by: Innes on November 10, 2008, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: shame302;242403
uh huh....
now thats a real shet stirrer lol
Title: political vent
Post by: Cougar5.0 on November 10, 2008, 09:48:01 AM