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Technical => Engine Tech => Topic started by: blackcougar71 on February 27, 2007, 04:07:24 PM

Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 27, 2007, 04:07:24 PM
what things would i need to switch for my v6 3.8 cfi to be sfi without trading motors.:cougarsmily: &:birdsmily:
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 27, 2007, 05:24:18 PM
As a guess, Intakes, harness, injecters, fuel rail, fuel pressure regulater and some free time.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 27, 2007, 05:40:17 PM
would the ecu have to be changed?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: GrannysBird on February 27, 2007, 05:46:10 PM
An 87 or 88 v8 wiring harness  or 88 v6 wiring harness plus injectors intake, sensors etc. What else do you have planned because you'll only be picking up about 20 horspower or so with this swap? I mean if you're going to convert the harness to sefi why not just throw a 302 in and be done with it?

heres a little guide on how too hook up a v8 harness in an 87 v6 car made by bondo cougar. I have yet to finish my project and test this all out but this worked for him. Come spring I'll be using it to hook up my ho v8.

 http://www.filefactory.com/file/f742ec/

Actually this should be put on the site Eric or in a sticky under engine swaps.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: GrannysBird on February 27, 2007, 05:58:59 PM
I can email it if anyone wants it. that file upload site is kinda scary..........
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Sduneman3 on February 27, 2007, 06:17:45 PM
The ECU will have to be changed.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 27, 2007, 08:00:08 PM
which v6 tfi or sefi is better for proformance stuff or turbos instead of switching to a 302 or bigger v8. also
would switching to a turbo coupe motor be easier than a v6 to v8?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Ifixyawata on February 27, 2007, 08:54:15 PM
Both switching to SEFI or a Turbo-4 would require switching wiring harnesses.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 27, 2007, 10:13:45 PM
Basicaly, no matter what you do involves switching the harness and computer. I had a 5.0 CFI in my car, and you really can't do to much before really getting into it. 5.0 and turbo 4 are the best choice IMO. Turbo 4 would be a good swap. If you ask around, I'm sure you can get info on most if not all of your options.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 28, 2007, 08:42:15 AM
besides the switch off the harness and ecu would basically everything else beside transmission be the same an link up easy?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 28, 2007, 08:42:26 AM
besides the switch off the harness and ecu would basically everything else beside transmission be the same on link up easy?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 28, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
besides the switch the harness and ecu would basically everything else beside transmission be the same on link up easy?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 11:27:37 AM
I went to carb and everything still works. So I'd say yes.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 28, 2007, 01:17:07 PM
will a v6 tranny work with a 302 v8? since i know that a turbo coupe motor wont fit up to a v6 tranny.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 01:51:50 PM
What tranny is in it ( sorry not a V6 guy).
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Beau on February 28, 2007, 02:57:51 PM
You've got an AOD, and yes, it'll bolt to either a 5.0 OR 3.8
For the work involved changing to SEFI, it'd be  more cost efficient  to swap in an EFI 5.0, more power, equal-or-better fuel economy, better exhaust sound, and on and on.
Then you have the head gasket problems of the 3.8 to consider, as well.
I think we ALL know the longevity of well maintained 5.0-the one in my 92 F-150 is still runnign strong at 290,000 miles, and it has never been pulled out, just the basic maintenance stuff, water pumps, fuel pump, O2 sensor, and the like.
It has sure as hell lasted longer than the 3.8 in my Tbird.

But, if you want to stay with the 3.8, it can be done, and has been before. Good luck!
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 03:39:39 PM
The motor in the CVIP is a 5.0 EFI. It has somewhere close to 300,xxx miles on it too. Still strong. If you're going to do the work, i agree that a 5.0 may be eaiser. May we ask why you wana rid of CFI?
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Fred on February 28, 2007, 03:39:52 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the injectors on a SFI go into the heads?  That means at least a head change, along with manifold, sensors, ETC.  Put a V8 in.  Good luck,  Fred
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 03:42:58 PM
I thought they went on a fuel rail but I may be wrong
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Sduneman3 on February 28, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
Yeah, I think Fred is right about the injectors.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 04:42:02 PM
Yeah, I'm unsure. I've never acutally seen a 5.0 or done that much work to it. Only normal stuff to them, like routine maintnence
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: blackcougar71 on February 28, 2007, 05:49:22 PM
i wanted to get rid of my cfi because i thought sefi would be much better. but from wat it turns out sefi wouldnt help my car very much in horsepower.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on February 28, 2007, 05:52:42 PM
For an easy fix, swap a 5.0 CFI onto it. The CFI body itself will help. I have one if need
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: Ifixyawata on February 28, 2007, 08:21:47 PM
Getting more power into a 3.8L can be about as expensive as the cost to get even more power from a 5.0L.  Using the 5.0 CFI probably won't do much but dump more fuel in and decrease gas mileage.  More fuel without more air (heads, exhaust) won't do much to benefit power.
Title: cfi to sfi
Post by: 84 Fila on March 01, 2007, 11:30:07 AM
You could to some the CFI mods listed in scott's thread to it to get a few more. Again a 5.0 CFI will get ya a few, but not enough to be worth it IMO.